Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | The Slow Crawl to the Season

[henchman21]

And they should have traded him. A good GM should take advantage of the league's overvaluation of big defensemen with no puck skill. The Avs getting Manson as a rental was admittedly a fantastic move that helped them win the Cup, retaining him (especially at the expense of Kadri) was where they went wrong.

And it resulted in having to move Byram and a first.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

And it resulted in having to move Byram and a first.

I'm curious how re-signing Josh Manson meant we had to move Bo Byram and a 1st.

If anything, Toews' extension and Bo's subpar play made the move necessary.

 

[henchman21]

I'm curious how re-signing Josh Manson meant we had to move Bo Byram and a 1st.

If anything, Toews' extension and Bo's subpar play made the move necessary.

Bo was needed to get Mitts… who was needed to replace Kadri. The 1st was partially the cost to get rid of RyJo (another attempt to replace Kadri) and build up the defense. So arguably half of that cost.

 

[Ararana]

It's well documented the Avs knew Byram was going to leave when he had control over his destination. The Avs got ahead of it.

But I completely agree they should have extended Kadri over Manson and just kept Byram until he hit UFA.

 

[henchman21]

It's well documented the Avs knew Byram was going to leave when he had control over his destination. The Avs got ahead of it.

But I completely agree they should have extended Kadri over Manson and just kept Byram until he hit UFA.

Or use Byram to get a RD. Plenty of ways to go about it. The signing of Manson prior to Kadri was simply a mistake.

 

[Balthazar]

Or use Byram to get a RD. Plenty of ways to go about it. The signing of Manson prior to Kadri was simply a mistake.

Meh. They had no one to replace Manson (and still don't, hence keeping him) but they thought they had someone to replace an aging Kadri who wanted a 7 or 8 year contract after a career year.

 

[henchman21]

Meh. They had no one to replace Manson (and still don't, hence keeping him) but they thought they had someone to replace an aging Kadri who wanted a 7 or 8 year contract after a career year.

The Manson type D are available every deadline. The Kadri contract will age like raw milk in the south… but it would have been good the last two seasons. The more important ones. Punting in the 2C role hurt this team a lot.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

The Manson type D are available every deadline. The Kadri contract will age like raw milk in the south… but it would have been good the last two seasons. The more important ones. Punting in the 2C role hurt this team a lot.

We probably could have gotten Kadri for shorter or cheaper too. But its not just Kadri for Manson though, not like we had another 3M sitting around (this is before we knew landy would be out 2 years).

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Pokecheque]

Meh. They had no one to replace Manson (and still don't, hence keeping him) but they thought they had someone to replace an aging Kadri who wanted a 7 or 8 year contract after a career year.

The version of Manson we've seen the past two years is EASILY replaceable. And yes, there was plenty of evidence to indicate that regression was going to happen because it was already well underway when they got him in the first place.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

The version of Manson we've seen the past two years is EASILY replaceable. And yes, there was plenty of evidence to indicate that regression was going to happen because it was already well underway when they got him in the first place.

Manson was pretty good last year.

 

[Pokecheque]

Manson was pretty good last year.

No he wasn't. He was a disaster the moment Sammy was sent to player's assistance and wasn't able to cover for Manson's freewheeling Graves-esque bullshit. G did a lot to prop him up IMO.

 

[Ceremony]

Kadri's gone and he's not f***ing coming back

 

[Pokecheque]

Kadri's gone and he's not f***ing coming back

Manson's here but he's not f***ing coming back either.

 

[Ararana]

Kadri's gone and he's not f***ing coming back

We're bitching over missed opportunities due to errant priorities, not hoping they find a way to bring Kadri back.

At the time Kadri was in the top 5 most important players on the Avs, arguably top 3. And they choose to keep a #4 defenseman over him when they obviously had no in-house replacement at second line center - not-agruably the most important position in hockey.

That decision was the beginning of the end for this Avs core. Ironically, it was cMac's first decision as offical GM

 

[Pokecheque]

If the choice is between a #2 center and a 2nd pairing defenseman, you pick the center.

 

[Muffin]

If the choice is between a #2 center and a 2nd pairing defenseman, you pick the center.

Yea but at the time the thinking was Newhook could replace Kadri but there was no one to replace Manson.

 

[WarriorOfGandhi]

man there's a lot of revisionist history in this thread. I loved the guy but there was no way the Avs could have kept Kadri. Everyone and their dog knew he was going to get disastrously overpaid after putting in a career-best performance at age 32, while Newhook looked like a promising replacement on a league-minimum salary. Overpaying Kadri also probably would have meant losing Nichushkin, and at the time there was no question that Val was the most important FA to bring back. I wasn't a fan of the Manson contract (I thought they should have kept Burakovsky lolololol) but it was easy to see why the team elected to bring back all starting 6 defensemen, especially when it gave them 3 LD and 3 RD with decent versatility for special teams.

and top 3 most important player? The fab 5 plus Byram & Nichushkin were clearly more important in the cup run. Maybe Lehkonen too.

 

[henchman21]

man there's a lot of revisionist history in this thread. I loved the guy but there was no way the Avs could have kept Kadri. Everyone and their dog knew he was going to get disastrously overpaid after putting in a career-best performance at age 32, while Newhook looked like a promising replacement on a league-minimum salary. Overpaying Kadri also probably would have meant losing Nichushkin, and at the time there was no question that Val was the most important player to bring back. I wasn't a fan of the Manson contract (I thought they should have kept Burakovsky lolololol) but it was easy to see why the team elected to bring back all starting 6 defensemen, especially when it gave them 3 LD and 3 RD with decent versatility for special teams.

and top 3 most important player? The fab 5 plus Byram & Nichushkin were clearly more important in the cup run. Maybe Lehkonen too.

The Avs and Kadri both tried to make it work until the last second. To the point of trying to move EJ. The Avs wanted him, just not above Manson.

Yea but at the time the thinking was Newhook could replace Kadri but there was no one to replace Manson.

It was plan as day that Newhook wasn’t going to be a 2C. If they actually thought that, the scouts should be fired immediately. That isn’t revisionist, I was screaming that prior to it happening.

 

[Balthazar]

It was plan as day that Newhook wasn’t going to be a 2C. If they actually thought that, the scouts should be fired immediately.

There's no "if" there. Management went public that summer saying they'd give Newhook a chance until Christmas and then figure something out for the 2C spot if need be.

Of course Bednar had other plans, he played Newhook 2 games at center and then it was a JTC love fest.

 

[Balthazar]

Manson's freewheeling Graves-esque bullshit.

That's clearly what the coach ask them to do.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

There's no Cup without Manson.

And there was never going to be a 2nd Cup with that core without Landy, regardless if they shipped out G to keep Kadri or not.

That team captured lightning in a bottle, had one of, if not the best TDL in franchise history and went on to completely dominate the playoffs as a result. Replicating that feat is nearly impossible, so I'm just happy they did what they did.

I don't expect another Cup

 

[henchman21]

There's no "if" there. Management went public that summer saying they'd give Newhook a chance until Christmas and then figure something out for the 2C spot if need be.

Of course Bednar had other plans, he played Newhook 2 games at center and then it was a JTC love fest.

They said he was an option not that they thought that. I stand by it that there was near zero chance of success there and it should have been very obvious.

 

[Vaslof]

We're bitching over missed opportunities due to errant priorities, not hoping they find a way to bring Kadri back.

At the time Kadri was in the top 5 most important players on the Avs, arguably top 3. And they choose to keep a #4 defenseman over him when they obviously had no in-house replacement at second line center - not-agruably the most important position in hockey.

That decision was the beginning of the end for this Avs core. Ironically, it was cMac's first decision as offical GM

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"Chose to" as in they made a generous offer and Kadri was choosing between them and us.

 

[Balthazar]

There's your answer. Nuke will play for the Avs again whenever he's ready.

I knew they'd not buy him out.

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