Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | The Slow Crawl to the Season
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- Aug 25, 2006
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Not necessarily. Sign and trade maybe?
Vegas won a Cup with Adin Hill. Binnington came out of nowhere. Heck, the Avs went undefeated in the playoffs with Frankie in net. Their philosophy is just find a guy that’s just good enough, and if they aren’t making any $, build a better team around them. The Askarov stuff doesn’t surprise me.
- Apr 25, 2006
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The Avs don't have the cap space nor the farm team to build a good NHL team around bad goaltending anymore. Cheap elite goaltending is about the only thing that could stretch the current window.
Grigowski
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...and we dont have that, too.... Allthough Georgiev was, in the end, not the "main problem" in last year´s playoffs. Just to be fair.
expatriatedtexan
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- Aug 17, 2005
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In the end, Frankie was all the goalie we ever needed.
Such a damn shame his health was what it was. His playoffs record puts him up there with... well, I haven't really checked but I'd like to think he must have one of the better playoff records.
We've just had shit luck since Roy. We got Steve and he was excellent but then his hips...so we got rid of him and then he got better. Just been a caustic carousel of comedy since.
Because our expectations for him are so low he's not considered a problem if he's not singlehandedly losing games on his own. Statically he was one of the worst goalie in the playoffs in terms of goals saved above expected.
henchman21
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With goalies, the Avs clearly took the route of paying less to have a guy that is just average (at best) to increase the quality of the team around them. It gives them a lower ceiling at the position and causes issues, but they hope that is mitigated with depth. IMO the Avs are a bit too top heavy on salary, so they can't build that depth either. The savings are just going to paying the top guys instead of depth right now (and likely into the future).
On Askarov, I get the desire for elite goaltending and he may get there. Certainly has the skill set, but has yet to have the results. Where I don't get it for the Avs is that is, at best, ~3 seasons away. Which is just far too late for this core. The Avs need elite goaltending today to overcome their lack of depth. In 3 years the window is almost certainly shut.
On Askarov, I get the desire for elite goaltending and he may get there. Certainly has the skill set, but has yet to have the results. Where I don't get it for the Avs is that is, at best, ~3 seasons away. Which is just far too late for this core. The Avs need elite goaltending today to overcome their lack of depth. In 3 years the window is almost certainly shut.
Bill Peckerskull
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Georgiev wasn't the main problem but he also still wasn't good enough for the second straight year.
Good goaltending can cover a lot of warts. The Blackhawks stayed afloat a lot longer than they should have because of Corey Crawford.
Good goaltending can cover a lot of warts. The Blackhawks stayed afloat a lot longer than they should have because of Corey Crawford.
Bill Peckerskull
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henchman21
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George is certainly top 3. The Avs can't afford him to be a negative. He has to hit the average.
4th line power play specialists are also a dying breed (outside of Carolina that is).
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henchman21
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But Noesen got a deal!
Hoffman stopped going/getting (some physical regression there IMO) to the dirty areas and once that happened, his goal scoring fell off a cliff. Once that happened, nobody wanted to deal with his warts anymore.
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henchman21
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Tommy Shelby
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For everyone complaining about Manson's contract I have no doubt he'd easily get the same contract if not more on the open market if he was an UFA this off season
henchman21
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Because these types of deals are signed, that does not make them a good value. Also Lindell is better than Manson... like a lot better.
LOFIN
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I don't really disagree. But NHL GMs are also dinosaurs, and Manson is a big, mean guy who hits. And he shoots right. There would be plenty of teams lining up for him.
henchman21
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He's incredibly good defensively. One the best in the league and has one of the heaviest workloads which makes his results more impressive IMO. His offense is pretty erratic. When he doesn't make transition mistakes, he tends to be average offensively. When he makes mistakes, he's a negative offensive player. This is why he's best when paired up with guys who can handle that role... if he has to transition the puck consistently, you're playing with fire.
I'd have recommended against this deal personally, but he is quite the player if you utilize him correctly.
These guys can get the contracts, not arguing that. I'm saying it is not money well spent. Teams would be better off renting the flavor of the week each year or buying 1.5 seasons instead of locking them in. Every deadline there are Tanev, Manson, and Savards available.
And they should have traded him. A good GM should take advantage of the league's overvaluation of big defensemen with no puck skill. The Avs getting Manson as a rental was admittedly a fantastic move that helped them win the Cup, retaining him (especially at the expense of Kadri) was where they went wrong.
