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MarkT

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I really liked Keaton's game this season as well. But nine games is still a really small sample size and capable of being skewed dramatically, either in preference for or against, an individual player.

For the last few years, I had assumed the NHL game was too fast for him. The games this year answered that for me, he can in fact keep up... but left me with one new question. Can he stay out of the box for stupid reasons?

Nine games is indeed a small sample, which is exactly why I want the Avs to play Middleton more, so we know for sure what he is. I'm honestly worried they are going to waive him and another team will take him where he'll become a regular NHL player.

Toews had played 116 games and averaged 20:31 TOI his last season on the Islanders. But ya, definitely comparable to Middleton (3 career games (4 years ago) and averaged 9:18 TOI during those 3 games).

Middleton is nothing but waiver fodder material. He's a just a copy of McDermid (when he use to play only D). He's not a fit for the Avs style of play.

I was referring to his first year (2018-19) when he had only played in the AHL at that point. You know, like Middleton. I don't think I honestly want to deal with you any more. You're judging him based on 3 games from 4 years ago, and the fact that he's been in the AHL until now. It's like you're not aware that players are capable of getting better over time. It also seems to me like you're biased against him because he reminds you of McDermid.

My whole point is that in his 9 games this year, he looked better than CDH. That's all. I'm not saying he's some great player, just that he's our best option for our bottom pair LD right now based on the small sample size we have. I'd like a larger sample size before deciding anything about him long-term.
 

expatriatedtexan

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Nine games is indeed a small sample, which is exactly why I want the Avs to play Middleton more, so we know for sure what he is. I'm honestly worried they are going to waive him and another team will take him where he'll become a regular NHL player.



I was referring to his first year (2018-19) when he had only played in the AHL at that point. You know, like Middleton. I don't think I honestly want to deal with you any more. You're judging him based on 3 games from 4 years ago, and the fact that he's been in the AHL until now. It's like you're not aware that players are capable of getting better over time. It also seems to me like you're biased against him because he reminds you of McDermid.

My whole point is that in his 9 games this year, he looked better than CDH. That's all. I'm not saying he's some great player, just that he's our best option for our bottom pair LD right now based on the small sample size we have. I'd like a larger sample size before deciding anything about him long-term.
Yeah, I kinda of have that same feeling. Not that Andreas Englund is a world beater or anything but we actually developed that guy and he promptly let him go the moment he became reliable. I really don't want to see it, but I think Keaton is also a UFA after this season.

I just don't get why he wasn't in the mix from the beginning with Kylington and de Haan. It's not like he just woke up and became a better player over night. It's more like the Avs never had the intention of playing the guy until it became absolutely necessary. He wasn't even in consideration to play until after Ludvig was aquired.

I don't want to get back into the Prischepov thing, but is this another case where the Avs have a perfectly acceptable NHL'r but just aren't using/developing him. He doesn't play the Avs style... he actually finishes checks and looks before he passes. He's a meat and potatoes type of player and should be comfort food for whoever he's playing with.

He throws up a bunch of zeros though. 9 games played: 0 Goals, 0 Assists, 0 Points, +1, 7 PIMs while putting up a 46.24 xGF%. Obviously not great stat lines, but he also plays a much different game than our other defenders and its a game I think is worth keeping around. In fact, I'd rather see him in and out of the lineup than Ludvig/Kylington. I've somehow come to appreciate de Haan. Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather have an improved player over CDH but out of all the folks that have actually been allowed to fight for the poisition he's done okayish. I'd just prefer a bit more meat and physicality on the bottom pair.

Middleton-Malinski is the pairing I would be trying like hell to get going between now and the deadline. I think the Avs are going to pick up a defender at the deadline no matter what, but it would be nice to know if Middleton can be trusted to play in the playoffs before hand.

If things get rough and we need to get nasty, we can always swap it up and go Middleton-Girard and just start running folks.
 
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Richard88

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The Avs lines at practice yesterday:

Lehkonen-MacKinnon-Nichushkin
Drouin-Colton-Rantanen
Kiviranta-Kelly-O’Connor
Innala-Mittelstadt-Parssinen

No Ivan, Wood, Landeskog.

Surely Puljujarvi is worth a roll of the dice when we're icing Innala?
 

Bender

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Nine games is indeed a small sample, which is exactly why I want the Avs to play Middleton more, so we know for sure what he is. I'm honestly worried they are going to waive him and another team will take him where he'll become a regular NHL player.
I like Middleton for a lot of the same reasons you listed above plus he kinda looks crazy like Carl Racki.
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However, it just feels to me like he's going to be the guy that is going to go the other way along with a pick when we make a trade for an established defender. So something like :

Middleton + 2nd round pick 2025
For
M.Petterssen

Or something like that.
 
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If we go by CMac's comments a while ago IMO he will trade for a #5D that can play 2nd pair pretty well in the event of injuries and I think it will happen sooner than later. He also said he will overpay if he needs to in order to get the guy he wants. Pettersson seems to be a very good target but the Avs like to trade for guys with terms or could re-sign. Pettersson would be hard to re-signed considering our cap situation I would say.
 

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Feels like that's just public pressure to try and jumpstart him. But I think that's the wrong approach.

I also think the fractured relationship goes well beyond Miller--it's Tocchet too. Not that I'm advocating for the Canucks to fire the coach, but I don't think he's any better a head coach now than he was in Arizona. He just has better players now.
 

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The current impasse is on both Pettersson and the Canucks. Pettersson should not have re-signed in a place where he didn't want to be and Rutherford shouldn't have tried to bully him into signing.

I personally think Rutherford is as rotten as they come. What he did to Jamie Oleksiak was unconscionable and should have led to his ouster from hockey forever.
 
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Alienblood

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If we go by CMac's comments a while ago IMO he will trade for a #5D that can play 2nd pair pretty well in the event of injuries and I think it will happen sooner than later. He also said he will overpay if he needs to in order to get the guy he wants. Pettersson seems to be a very good target but the Avs like to trade for guys with terms or could re-sign. Pettersson would be hard to re-signed considering our cap situation I would say.
Pettersson has term
 

Mighty Makar

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The current impasse is on both Pettersson and the Canucks. Pettersson should not have re-signed in a place where he didn't want to be and Rutherford shouldn't have tried to bully him into signing.

I personally think Rutherford is as rotten as they come. What he did to Jamie Oleksiak was unconscionable and should have led to his ouster from hockey forever.
What did he do?
 

VikingAv

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The current impasse is on both Pettersson and the Canucks. Pettersson should not have re-signed in a place where he didn't want to be and Rutherford shouldn't have tried to bully him into signing.

I personally think Rutherford is as rotten as they come. What he did to Jamie Oleksiak was unconscionable and should have led to his ouster from hockey forever.
Huh?
 

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