Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[hockeyfish]

would be hilarious.

Hilariously painfull.

 

[Mooserton]

I think the key to getting Crosby is a gentleman's agreement to trade him back to Pittsburgh at the end of the contract.

 

[Pokecheque]

I think the key to getting Crosby is a gentleman's agreement to trade him back to Pittsburgh at the end of the contract.

If there’s retention involved they will be prohibited from doing that.

EDIT: Well, if the retention is done through a third party that is. I think if Pittsburgh does it then it won’t matter.

 

[The Kingslayer]

I think the key to getting Crosby is a gentleman's agreement to trade him back to Pittsburgh at the end of the contract.

he can go back when he wants to retire.

 

[lionsDen]

Drouin - miller - nuke would have made a great line.

 

[Foppa2118]

I'm not too surprised the Avs would target Miller, or that Miller would prefer to go to New York, where he knew he'd fit in the locker room.

I am a bit surprised though the Nucks were willing to trade him to the Avs. Would be more surprised if they were willing to trade EP to the Avs. Hope that's not the case. I don't see them retaining enough for it to make sense for the Avs.

Also, I agree with others, I have a lot of respect for Lavoie, but I don't see CMac making the Mikko move specifically for Miller, without the Miller deal being done.

More likely they were planning on moving Mikko anyway, and needed the cap savings for something anyway, and didn't want to risk Necas going somewhere else, since he's one of the few high end players available that could help replace Mikko, and they probably knew he was a great stylistic fit.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I'm not too surprised the Avs would target Miller, or that Miller would prefer to go to New York, where he knew he'd fit in the locker room.

I am a bit surprised though the Nucks were willing to trade him to the Avs. Would be more surprised if they were willing to trade EP to the Avs. Hope that's not the case. I don't see them retaining enough for it to make sense for the Avs.

Also, I agree with others, I have a lot of respect for Lavoie, but I don't see CMac making the Mikko move specifically for Miller, without the Miller deal being done.

More likely they were planning on moving Mikko anyway, and needed the cap savings for something anyway, and didn't want to risk Necas going somewhere else, since he's one of the few high end players available that could help replace Mikko, and they probably knew he was a great stylistic fit.

Necas and Miller make sense when moving Mikko, but no, even if there is a link. Cmac doesn't take shots in the dark.

The Mikko move had its own merit, then the other thing fell apart.

Any predictions are bullshit. Or they would of held true.

 

[CobraAcesS]

We've never remotely seen Cmac get played where there is an important part left out.

I mean, he literally held Chicago blind, and they gladly took it lol. They just knew the return for Hall and an amount of money they were retaining. That's it..

No Cmac definitely didn't get screwed by hopes and trust thrown Bitch ass Miller's way. I'm happy it didn't happen. That dude is a complete shit stain. If I ever met him I'd instantly clock his ass just for fun.

And I'd very much enjoy whatever happened next.

Fake warrior

 

[Foppa2118]

I think the key to getting Crosby is a gentleman's agreement to trade him back to Pittsburgh at the end of the contract.

Unfortunately, it seems like the key to Sid agreeing to be traded to the Avs, would be the Avs moving to Pittsburgh, and changing their name to the Penguins. He's made it pretty clear he wants to be a Pens lifer.

 

[flyfysher]

Hilariously painfull.

Painfully hilarious.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Unfortunately, it seems like the key to Sid agreeing to be traded to the Avs, would be the Avs moving to Pittsburgh, and changing their name to the Penguins. He's made it pretty clear he wants to be a Pens lifer.

Lol, well when he watches Mack succeed or fail he will feel sad every year. Guaranteed

 

[The Merchant]

 

[lionsDen]

Remember after the trade the insiders said that Colorado wasn’t done… that’s probably all the miller stuff and quite possibly the reasons mitts name was out there.unless Colorado finds a upgrade(not a high bar) they’ll probably keep him and go shopping this summer. *IF* landy can come back I like our depth forward wise although I’d like another shooter
We need a defenseman in the worst way. And I’d also like to see guys with term or control.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I just don't see how they could put together six defensemen that expensive, spend the resources necessary to get retention on all of them, AND ice a deep-enough forward corps.

Don't get me wrong, getting a halfway-decent third pairing would be a dream. I just don't see it happening to this extent.


Okay, maybe they could, but not easily, let alone "very" easily.

No like, they actually really easily could. They have $4.8M in cap space today. Taking Jones at full cap hit would mean adding about $3.7M. That's it. Literally Colton or Mittelstadt going out in the deal would make the cap work quite easily.

And again as outlined in this thread, nobody is touching him at full cap hit. It's more likely if the Avs get him its at $7-7.5M. Meaning we only need to create about $1.5-2M in space. Not sure we even need to move anyone at all to make it work.

And next year we quite frankly are swimming in cap space.

 

[lionsDen]

No like, they actually really easily could. They have $4.8M in cap space today. Taking Jones at full cap hit would mean adding about $3.7M. That's it. Literally Colton or Mittelstadt going out in the deal would make the cap work quite easily.

And again as outlined in this thread, nobody is touching him at full cap hit. It's more likely if the Avs get him its at $7-7.5M. Meaning we only need to create about $1.5-2M in space. Not sure we even need to move anyone at all to make it work.

And next year we quite frankly are swimming in cap space.

You’d need Ivan’s salary back up? Or roughly that

 

[lionsDen]

We've never remotely seen Cmac get played where there is an important part left out.

I mean, he literally held Chicago blind, and they gladly took it lol. They just knew the return for Hall and an amount of money they were retaining. That's it..

No Cmac definitely didn't get screwed by hopes and trust thrown Bitch ass Miller's way. I'm happy it didn't happen. That dude is a complete shit stain. If I ever met him I'd instantly clock his ass just for fun.

And I'd very much enjoy whatever happened next.

Fake warrior

I can see it now

 

[expatriatedtexan]

If this is true, that means the Avs are willing take on Jones at ~7-7.5 per year for the next five years. They must really like him, the "kid" is already 30...

But I can't lie

Toews - Makar
Girard - Jones

Would be pretty f***ing nice for the next few years. If only they had a second line center....

Let's just be clear. I do not believe the Avs are considering what a player is going to be doing five years from now.

They are all kind of in the holy shit, if we don't win right now we'll be considered a failure of a core territory.

If the Avs have identified Jones as their guy... they just need to pay the price. Seriously... it's going to be the same with any trade for a 2C. That's not going to be rental, because that market is worse than RosCo. If we want solid upgrade at 2C at this point it is simply going to cost a lot. It's going to have to be a hockey trade. Why else would someone give up such a prized commodity?

The unfortunate thing is that I look over the Avs roster, prospects and available picks... I kinda wish they still had Eller.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Wow. And it's from Lavoie so you know it's true. The Avs had a deal in place for JT Miller when they traded Rants but Miller blocked the trade.

Geesh.. sounds like we "barely" escaped making a HUGE f'in mistake.

If Miller actually nixed a trade to Colorado, I'm about to become his biggest fan!

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Nuke - Mack - Necas
Drouin - Mitts - Boeser
Lehky - Drury - Landy*
Wood - Kelly - LOC
Parsnip/Kivi

Toews - Makar
Girard - Jones
Dumolin - Manson
CDH

Woods


Trades made break down as:

- Colton + Futures(Maybe Ivan + 2024 NYR 2nd) to Chicago for Jones($7.0M)
- 1st + Futures(Zellers + Malinski?) to Vancouver for Boeser($3.325M)
- 2025 2nd(CAR) + Kyllington for Dumolin($1.575M) + 2025 4th(DET). Send the 2025 4th to 3rd team for another 50% retention putting Dumolin down to $787.5k
- Send Middleton down to AHL


Projected Deadline Cap Space: $4.7615M
NHL Salary out: $6.675M. NHL Salary in: $11.1125M

Net salary gained: $4.4375M.

Remaining LTIR Space: $0.324M

 

[RoyIsALegend]

No like, they actually really easily could. They have $4.8M in cap space today. Taking Jones at full cap hit would mean adding about $3.7M. That's it. Literally Colton or Mittelstadt going out in the deal would make the cap work quite easily.

And again as outlined in this thread, nobody is touching him at full cap hit. It's more likely if the Avs get him its at $7-7.5M. Meaning we only need to create about $1.5-2M in space. Not sure we even need to move anyone at all to make it work.

And next year we quite frankly are swimming in cap space.

To add to this, we are currently carrying 8 defensemen.

Any one of Kylington($1.05m), de Haan($0.8m), or Middleton($0.775m) could go and take that total cap space up to $5.7m-$5.9m.

Then, of course, if we add Jones, another one of those D need to go to keep it at 7D. So, it’d be around $6.8m in order to add Jones.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Nuke - Mack - Necas
Drouin - Mitts - Boeser
Lehky - Drury - Landy*
Wood - Kelly - LOC
Parsnip/Kivi

Toews - Makar
Girard - Jones
Dumolin - Manson
CDH

Woods


Trades made break down as:

- Colton + Futures(Maybe Ivan + 2024 NYR 2nd) to Chicago for Jones($7.0M)
- 1st + Futures(Zellers + Malinski?) to Vancouver for Boeser($3.325M)
- 2025 2nd(CAR) + Kyllington for Dumolin($1.575M) + 2025 4th(DET). Send the 2025 4th to 3rd team for another 50% retention putting Dumolin down to $787.5k
- Send Middleton down to AHL


Projected Deadline Cap Space: $4.7615M
NHL Salary out: $6.675M. NHL Salary in: $11.1125M

Net salary gained: $4.4375M.

Remaining LTIR Space: $0.324M

Can't help but think if that was the cost for Jones' the deal would have been finalized by now,

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Nuke - Mack - Necas
Drouin - Mitts - Boeser
Lehky - Drury - Landy*
Wood - Kelly - LOC
Parsnip/Kivi

Toews - Makar
Girard - Jones
Dumolin - Manson
CDH

Woods


Trades made break down as:

- Colton + Futures(Maybe Ivan + 2024 NYR 2nd) to Chicago for Jones($7.0M)
- 1st + Futures(Zellers + Malinski?) to Vancouver for Boeser($3.325M)
- 2025 2nd(CAR) + Kyllington for Dumolin($1.575M) + 2025 4th(DET). Send the 2025 4th to 3rd team for another 50% retention putting Dumolin down to $787.5k
- Send Middleton down to AHL


Projected Deadline Cap Space: $4.7615M
NHL Salary out: $6.675M. NHL Salary in: $11.1125M

Net salary gained: $4.4375M.

Remaining LTIR Space: $0.324M

Colton won’t waive a full NTC for Chicago.

You’re also expecting Vancouver to retain 50% on Boeser for the remainder of the year? Not sure if they need to do that, there would be plenty of suitors.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Can't help but think if that was the cost for Jones' the deal would have been finalized by now,

I dont think so. Its obviously a really tricky deal to make because of the retention involved.


I'm actually not convinced he gets traded this year, IMO its gonna be such a tough deal to iron out that it probably doesn't actually get done until the summer.

 

[myperbixhurts]

I think the key to getting Crosby is a gentleman's agreement to trade him back to Pittsburgh at the end of the contract.

Crosby has 2 more years on his contract. If we get him this year, there is a good chance we will win at least one cup with him before his contract is up, then he can just simply sign a one year deal with the Pens and retire there

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Colton won’t waive a full NTC for Chicago.

You’re also expecting Vancouver to retain 50% on Boeser for the remainder of the year? Not sure if they need to do that, there would be plenty of suitors.

I dont think it'd be that difficult to convince them. They have a tonne of cap space as it is. Projected deadline space of $8.9M right now.

In terms of real $$, with roughly 75% of the season played now, that 50% retention is really only 50% of about $1.6M, so ~$800k. That's peanuts.

I think the issue would be that the Canucks as a playoff hopeful want to use the cap space to get better, but again they're at almost $9M right now with Boeser, moving him out at 50% retention would still put them over $12M in space today which would be plenty to basically add anybody they'd want to.


Colton NTC is probably an issue though. Maybe Chicago can take Wood and Parsninen instead, Or maybe Colton would waive if his glue sniffing buddy came with him!

EDIT

Just saw the news about Miller turning down a trade to the Avs.... Certainly makes you stop and think. The reaction around here would have been worth it alone.


I guess the good news in that is its a pretty good sign CMac knows the roster still needs work. If he was willing to make another huge trade for Miller, I'd like to think he's trying hard to find something else that makes us better especially with the cap space he now has.


I also think you make prosect like Ritchie available it could shake loose some names you wouldn't necessarily expect to see traded. No idea if the Avs are willing to move Ritchie, but that level of prospect is so rarely available that if they were, they could probably add a damn good player to the team.