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Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

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dahrougem2 said:
Why did the Avs have any reason to worry? Nichushkin had done nothing until that point to show the Avs he was a risky player who would fail drug tests and end up in the PA program. He played the SCF with a broken foot the final couple of games.

Nobody had a clue he would become this big of a risk.
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That's simply not the story we have heard.

We've heard he was known to have liked the powder back in his Dallas days.

I think anyone who believes the Avs were unaware of his useage of drugs prior to signing his deal are intentionally putting their heads in the sand and trying to live on some distinction between being caught by the NHL during a piss test, and being known to be f***ed up by your own team.

The Avs simply thought they could control it better than they have.
 
RoyIsALegend said:
Right, so if we didn’t win the Cup, my second 1st is a 2nd… the same thing you’d be giving up if we only reached the finals.

I just find it odd you say he’d cost much less than my proposal but the only key difference is Ritchie and Nabokov.

The Pens aren’t trading him for scraps just because he asks to be traded. They will still get decent value.
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Decent value yes but not anything close to something that a top C that's 25-26 years old would have returned.

Like I said before, the Avs would likely play ball to make it look good for the penguins - so Mitts would be in for sure and then the Avs could add a decent young player that's shown to be able to play in the NHL like Ivan or Malinski. Then they could do either 1 first round pick OR a few picks where it's a 'move down some rounds' scenario for the Avs maybe another good but not great prospect but this idea that 37 year old Crosby will return close to what Eichel returned is wrong, imo.

Eichel + 3rd rd pick (in year 3 of $10M x 8 contract)

For

Tuch, RW (solid Top-6 winger)
Krebs, C (unproven former 1st rd pick)
2022 1st rd pick
2023 2nd rd pick
 
expatriatedtexan said:
That's simply not the story we have heard.

We've heard he was known to have liked the powder back in his Dallas days.

I think anyone who believes the Avs were unaware of his useage of drugs prior to signing his deal are intentionally putting their heads in the sand and trying to live on some distinction between being caught by the NHL during a piss test, and being known to be f***ed up by your own team.

The Avs simply thought they could control it better than they have.
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My guess is there is zero engagement on the issue until it becomes an issue.

Remember what was also said along with some of those insinuations. Cocain use is common place in the sport.

They definitely numbed him up to play through injuries. That also seems common place, especially in the playoffs.
 
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CobraAcesS said:
My guess is there is zero engagement on the issue until it becomes an issue.

Remember what was also said along with some of those insinuations. Cocain use is common place in the sport.

They definitely numbed him up to play through injuries. That also seems common place, especially in the playoffs.
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It's crazy the amount of people who think Val is the only one doing coke in the NHL.
 
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shadow1 said:
One game sample size outside of the Rangers system, but Zibanejad (64.5% CF, 73.1% xGF) was pretty darn good against an insane Canada line-up.

No points but I thought he looked good and was their #1 in ice time. :dunno:
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Zibanejad is good. Just when he wants to be and is focused. He hasn't played for Sweden since 2018 so I'm sure he was pretty motivated. But during an 82 game slog of a season he may rather be DJ'ing than play hockey.
 
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dahrougem2 said:
Why did the Avs have any reason to worry? Nichushkin had done nothing until that point to show the Avs he was a risky player who would fail drug tests and end up in the PA program. He played the SCF with a broken foot the final couple of games.

Nobody had a clue he would become this big of a risk.
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I mean to the public eye he didn't. I mean it's possibly everything could've all come from that summer post cup. But I wouldn't believe it. The Avs just thought they could continue to hide his issues from the public.
 
expatriatedtexan said:
That's simply not the story we have heard.

We've heard he was known to have liked the powder back in his Dallas days.

I think anyone who believes the Avs were unaware of his useage of drugs prior to signing his deal are intentionally putting their heads in the sand and trying to live on some distinction between being caught by the NHL during a piss test, and being known to be f***ed up by your own team.

The Avs simply thought they could control it better than they have.
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What we heard and what happened are two completely different things. Nichushkin had done nothing for the Avs to feel worried until 2023.

Not one single poster here was talking about Nuke and cocaine prior to 2022.
The Abusement Park said:
I mean to the public eye he didn't. I mean it's possibly everything could've all come from that summer post cup. But I wouldn't believe it. The Avs just thought they could continue to hide his issues from the public.
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Again, he had done nothing up until 2023. For all we know, he was fine. Now, people obviously hear things but Nichushkin had done his part to not f*** up until 2023. The Avs had no reason to believe it would spiral downhill this fast during the summer of 2022.
 
CobraAcesS said:
My guess is there is zero engagement on the issue until it becomes an issue.

Remember what was also said along with some of those insinuations. Cocain use is common place in the sport.

They definitely numbed him up to play through injuries. That also seems common place, especially in the playoffs.
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I'm not trying to suggest the Avs went out of their way to hook him up.

I'm just saying they didn't really, and probably still don't, have someone in place seriously looking into these things and trying to nip them in the bud. Unless maybe one of them gave a suggestion to Girard that there was help if he ever wanted it, but it always seemed to me that G went looking for help, rather than being offered it.

On the flip side, they do actually actively employ off duty cops and ex-cops to travel with the team to brush things over should anything unbecoming become public. They also seem to have fired a team doctor for doing what he thought best in his professional judgement?

dahrougem2 said:
What we heard and what happened are two completely different things. Nichushkin had done nothing for the Avs to feel worried until 2023.

Not one single poster here was talking about Nuke and cocaine prior to 2022.

Again, he had done nothing up until 2023. For all we know, he was fine. Now, people obviously hear things but Nichushkin had done his part to not f*** up until 2023. The Avs had no reason to believe it would spiral downhill this fast during the summer of 2022.
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Yet once it broke, a bunch of posters came out and were like... yeah... this was known back in Dallas.

Were our posters more well informed than the Avalanche media, or are you suggesting these guys were bringing baseless facts to the table?
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
I'm not trying to suggest the Avs went out of their way to hook him up.

I'm just saying they didn't really, and probably still don't, have someone in place seriously looking into these things and trying to nip them in the bud. Unless maybe one of them gave a suggestion to Girard that there was help if he ever wanted it, but it always seemed to me that G went looking for help, rather than being offered it.

On the flip side, they do actually actively employ off duty cops and ex cops to actively travel with the team to brush things over should -anything unbecoming become public. And seem to have fired a team doctor for doing what he thought best?


Yet once it broke, a bunch of posters came out and were like... yeah... this was known back in Dallas.

Were our posters more well informed than the Avalanche media, or are you suggesting these guys were bringing baseless facts to the table?
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Yeah wasn't there stories about him asking the Dallas front office to find him hookers?
 
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The Moops said:
Yeah wasn't there stories about him asking the Dallas front office to find him hookers?
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:laugh: Never heard that one, but if true it would almost make me love him even more. Kinda hate myself for saying that, but at that point he's no longer human, he's a completely outrageous character like in the movies and you can't help be laugh at the mayhem involved.
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
I'm not trying to suggest the Avs went out of their way to hook him up.

I'm just saying they didn't really, and probably still don't, have someone in place seriously looking into these things and trying to nip them in the bud. Unless maybe one of them gave a suggestion to Girard that there was help if he ever wanted it, but it always seemed to me that G went looking for help, rather than being offered it.

On the flip side, they do actually actively employ off duty cops and ex-cops to travel with the team to brush things over should anything unbecoming become public. They also seem to have fired a team doctor for doing what he thought best in his professional judgement?


Yet once it broke, a bunch of posters came out and were like... yeah... this was known back in Dallas.

Were our posters more well informed than the Avalanche media, or are you suggesting these guys were bringing baseless facts to the table?
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I'm saying Nichushkin was probably doing something a very good portion of NHLers do and happened to get caught.

Do you recall people saying "man gotta be careful Nichushkin could go off the rails any second" at any point between 2018 and 2022? Because it was not a thing. The "this has always been Nichushkin" talk only happened AFTER he got caught.

Now, it very well could have been a thing, but Nichushkin had not done a thing to warrant that label during his time here until he actually got pinched.

Same thing as Sam Girard. Nobody actually thought anything being wrong with him until he actually sought help for alcoholism. It's not known until it actually happens.
 
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Vaslof said:
Apparently EJ had agreed to be traded, but then changed his mind.
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I think it was characterized as waffling iirc.

Which he earned the right to do IMO. He earned/was given that NMC and he wasn't obligated to waive it. Lots of non hockey things to consider with waiving it too.

EJ probably wanted to return to go back to back with the same group, before moving on or retiring, the same way Cogs did. That's a special thing that not too many players or teams accomplish these days.

I still think this is a false idea that the 2C hole stemmed from this issue with EJ/Kadri/Nuke. I think they would have been more aggressive trading for a 2C at the deadline that year, if they thought they would win with that decimated group, just like they were the next season trading a #4 pick for one.

In fact I think they were too aggressive the following season and didn't think that trade through well. A stop gap move made more sense to me at the time and would have yielded similar results.
 
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