Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[John Mandalorian]

How negative would you guys say that Jones' value at full caphit is?

Ideally we'd get $2m+ retention but if that's not possible it might still make sense if you can get some decent asset(s) out of it that you can flip for another value contract.

Paying the full 9.5 for a 2nd pairing RD might not sit right with the guys still on the team who are still stunned by Mikko being traded. Could be wrong though.

 

[Grigowski]

Further to that CMac will surely have in mind the contracts coming up for Necas/Manson in 2026 and Makar/Girard/Colton/Lehkonen in 2027 and not overcommit to players with term. Players with 1-2 years of term at a reasonable caphit probably make the most sense to target in order to keep cap flexibility ahead of the Necas and Makar contracts (like Rasmus Andersson for example).

I dont see Manson getting another contract in Denver. Same to Colton. I doubt that both of them even fullfull their current contract.

Makar will be the highest paid player on this team. Question is how much dollar he will demand and get. No way the AVS are going to let this talks get into a neverending story again.

Lehkonen, oh boy... His next contract could be very difficult because that guy us underpaid at the moment for what he brings to this team....

Girard? Thats were i see the fewest concerns. Allready got good money with his current contract. I really see him taking less just to stay in Denver.

Rantanen's reaction in the interview yesterday doesn't suggest that he knew he was being traded to Chicago or Carolina.

I say it again:
Rants really has to make a long talk so his agent. The more infos are coming out, the more i think his "doofus" of agent really had a big part in this fiasco.......

 

[Richard88]

Jones would be an awesome add, but I don't see how they could do it with the cap

There's $5.59 in LTIR cap relief right now, so all they'd need to do is find another $3.91m to fit Jones in (either by retention or money sent back). And in the off-season there's plenty of space with the rising cap.

 

[Miri]

Over a 100 mill cap will be awesome. Teams can put together really deep rosters. It will be closer to when there was no cap. I mean most teams probably didn’t even spend 100 mill when there was no salary cap

You may think so, but more likely result is the salaries will go proportionally higher, so you will be once again looking at situation, where you cant have 3 superstars on the team….because they gonna get paid 15+. GMs are that stupid.

 

[Miri]

Yes, he's not been great lately, but honestly - what depth player is consistently playing at the top of his game across 82 games? If he did, he would be a top line player, not a depth one. He was great early on, not so great now. He'll probably be pretty good again this season.

Colton's contract is not bad. Nor is Manson's, btw. They're mid-tier/2nd tier players, but good ones. They bring a physicality to their game that ups the $$$. Good players with some flaws. Precisely the "depth players" we'd be begging for if they weren't here. Precisely the "depth players" we currently want more of right now.

Colton is a ~20g/40pt guy (across a 82 game season), who plays a relatively simple (and physical) game. Those attributes/numbers get guys ~$4M per. That's the market. We've got two of them, they're pretty good, all things considered, and we'd be begging for them if they weren't here.

I can't fathom the people who gripe about Manson and Colton at $4M, claiming they're the problem. They're not.

The problem is 2C. Mittelstadt. Period. End of story. That's the problem.

And if they don't solve that problem, none of the rest of the story matters.


P.S. This is why I don't get the Jones discussion. The Avs have a formidable Top 4 defensively. The Crosby discussion I get. Though I think that's a pipe dream.

I think to be a rather complete team we need both upgrade on Mittelstadt (whether its Crosby, JT Miller, Barzal or whoever else) and upgrade on defense, specifically third pairing, so we dont have to play the likes of DeHaan there. And obviously, someone like Jones, who could fit onto second pairing and bump Manson to third one, would be great - i understand the want from that perspective.

Colton is likely expendable, if Landeskog returns, as Landy wont be playing on top-six anymore and even on one leg is going to provide what Colton does.

Not sure whether its doable cap-wise, likely not. But maybe with 97 mil cap it will be.

 

[dmac7719]

Maybe top of the line ups will be the same, but teams will be able to add more solid depth players bottom of their lineups

A new CBA will have to be agreed upon before the projected season that a 100M cap will happen. Definitely expect the Union to significantly increase the league minimum and the rookie scale contracts.

 

[CobraAcesS]

How negative would you guys say that Jones' value at full caphit is?

Ideally we'd get $2m+ retention but if that's not possible it might still make sense if you can get some decent asset(s) out of it that you can flip for another value contract.

Yeah, I just think the cap space is more valuable going forward. Pay whatever it takes. If they scouted him last night, he had a pretty good game.

 

[Avs9296]

Anyone know if we scouted the Hawks yesterday?

 

[AslanRH]

Just give me 5+ games of a healthy forward core. [excluding Landy who would just be gravy on the 3rd line]
Drouin - MacK - Necas
Lehk - Mitts - Nuke
Wood [Landy] - Drury - Colton
Kivi/Parsnip [Wood] - Kelly - LOC

 

[nonamejay]

I tried to do a bit of fun research for TDL and came up with this wild idea:

Drouin - MacKinnon - Necas
Lehkonen - B. Nelson @ 83% - Nichushkin
Landeskog - Parssinen - R. Rakell
Kiviranta - Kelly - O'Connor

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
M. Pettersson @ 50% - Malinski

Blackwood
Wedgewood

---

Mitts, Colton, Wood and Drury gone. Promote Rakell to 2C next season.

Not entirely sure if the math checks out, but I think it's close and boy does it look good on paper. What do y'all think?

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I tried to do a bit of fun research for TDL and came up with this wild idea:

Drouin - MacKinnon - Necas
Lehkonen - B. Nelson @ 83% - Nichushkin
Landeskog - Parssinen - R. Rakell
Kiviranta - Kelly - O'Connor

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
M. Pettersson @ 50% - Malinski

Blackwood
Wedgewood

---

Mitts, Colton, Wood and Drury gone. Promote Rakell to 2C next season.

Not entirely sure if the math checks out, but I think it's close and boy does it look good on paper. What do y'all think?

How are we getting all of these players, especially with retention? Are you expecting Colton to waive to the lowly Islanders or Penguins?

Why is Jacko already gone? We just got him! He’s a good hockey player on a nice contract with team control(RFA).

 

[JLo217]

Alright guys... My senior B team one our first game since moving up, Necas looked good, and i'm only half broken from skiing dust on crust at Palisades with all the bay area folk... I'm back to normal.

When's the next trade going down?

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

If we got Barzal and a defensive upgrade this team would be loaded as shit

Just like @Mighty Makar

 

[dahrougem2]

I tried to do a bit of fun research for TDL and came up with this wild idea:

Drouin - MacKinnon - Necas
Lehkonen - B. Nelson @ 83% - Nichushkin
Landeskog - Parssinen - R. Rakell
Kiviranta - Kelly - O'Connor

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
M. Pettersson @ 50% - Malinski

Blackwood
Wedgewood

---

Mitts, Colton, Wood and Drury gone. Promote Rakell to 2C next season.

Not entirely sure if the math checks out, but I think it's close and boy does it look good on paper. What do y'all think?

You... want Rakell to play 2nd line center next season?

Career winger Rickard Rakell?

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Right the wrong, CMac!

 

[JLo217]

Right the wrong, CMac!

How's he been? Free depth, he was a good fit here.

 

[The Abusement Park]

How's he been? Free depth, he was a good fit here.

2pts in 19 games... But analytics look decent on EvolvingHockey at least.

 

[hockeyfish]

2pts in 19 games... But analytics look decent on EvolvingHockey at least.

Problem is he's kind of expensive.

 

[Freaky Styley]

I've done some reconnaissance on the Flames board and some of their posters are open to the idea of this as a framework:

Mitts
Ritchie
2nd

For

Kadri
Andersson

Perhaps with another small piece from the Avs (maybe the recently acquired 4th or Olausson?). I'll get CMac on the phone (I know the cap doesn't work)

 

[Zandar]

When's the next trade going down?

This week…likely Wednesday or Thursday

 

[EdAVSfan]

 

[AvsCOL]

I've done some reconnaissance on the Flames board and some of their posters are open to the idea of this as a framework:

Mitts
Ritchie
2nd

For

Kadri
Andersson

Perhaps with another small piece from the Avs (maybe the recently acquired 4th or Olausson?). I'll get CMac on the phone (I know the cap doesn't work)

Honestly, I'd do it.

 

[dahrougem2]

I've done some reconnaissance on the Flames board and some of their posters are open to the idea of this as a framework:

Mitts
Ritchie
2nd

For

Kadri
Andersson

Perhaps with another small piece from the Avs (maybe the recently acquired 4th or Olausson?). I'll get CMac on the phone (I know the cap doesn't work)

Their fans are probably ok with it.

Their management? Absolutely not. Unless they started selling off Backlund, Coleman, Huberdeau, Weegar, etc.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I've done some reconnaissance on the Flames board and some of their posters are open to the idea of this as a framework:

Mitts
Ritchie
2nd

For

Kadri
Andersson

Perhaps with another small piece from the Avs (maybe the recently acquired 4th or Olausson?). I'll get CMac on the phone (I know the cap doesn't work)

They must of peaked in on our response, and upped the ask lol.

Their fans are probably ok with it.

Their management? Absolutely not. Unless they started selling off Backlund, Coleman, Huberdeau, Weegar, etc.

Hey.. Mitts has 5 points in his last five games. Strike while the iron is hot.

 

[Freaky Styley]

They must of peaked in on our response, and upped the ask lol.



Hey.. Mitts has 5 points in his last five games. Strike while the iron is hot.

I didn't realize Andersson wasn't a UFA. I'd add something else nice just to really capitalize on having 2 guys next year like Necas + Andersson under what Mikko will sign for. Wood would have to be included for the deal to make sense anyway, so maybe that's some extra value from a CGY POV.

Mitts is a good player, we just can't afford to be patient with him. IMO his future with the organization is in his hands from now until the deadline. He's shown he can excel here just needs to find that speed + compete again. I hope Beds tries Necas with him

Their fans are probably ok with it.

Their management? Absolutely not. Unless they started selling off Backlund, Coleman, Huberdeau, Weegar, etc.

Coleman and Backlund maybe. I don't think they'd move Andersson AND Weegar and there's nothing wrong with keeping one for the retool. I also don't think they can move Huberdeau, and same story. Not bad to have a vet around.