Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[The Merchant]

 

[The Abusement Park]

Well someone did say they offered Rantanen to go to Chicago or Carolina. Reasonable to assume. Chicago was evaluating a big offer for Rantanen too. And Cmac used then to handle the money instead since everyone was already talking and they wanted to get rid of Hall.

I like the 'Jones is still in play' alternate reality better though.

I don't think there's anything realistic Chicago could offer us for Mikko...

 

[CobraAcesS]

Definition of late to the party

 

[The Abusement Park]

Yeah, Drury is a better player at a fraction of the cost. So so much better.

I don't really think that's the case... Drury is by far better value for money, but Kotka gets insane hate because of his contract and draft position. He'd be a real solid 3C somewhere, but the dude just isn't a 2C. We'll also see about Drury... but I have my reservations about him being a 3C. But he should be a great depth addition regardless.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I don't really think that's the case... Drury is by far better value for money, but Kotka gets insane hate because of his contract and draft position. He'd be a real solid 3C somewhere, but the dude just isn't a 3C. We'll also see about Drury... but I have my reservations about him being a 3C. But he should be a great depth addition regardless.

Actually KK is playing better, still don't want that contract, not even a little bit.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Actually KK is playing better, still don't want that contract, not even a little bit.

Yeah the contract isn't great... but even then it wouldn't be THAT bad if he was your 3C. He's pacing for 38 ES points this year and is pretty decent defensively. If he was your 3C you'd think he'd maybe be making a little too much, but even then with the cap shooting up 4.8 for a 3C won't be that outrageous here soon.

 

[hockeyfish]

I don't really think that's the case... Drury is by far better value for money, but Kotka gets insane hate because of his contract and draft position. He'd be a real solid 3C somewhere, but the dude just isn't a 2C. We'll also see about Drury... but I have my reservations about him being a 3C. But he should be a great depth addition regardless.

He brings more offensive skills, but Drury is a much better skater and a much better defensively. KK is kind of stuck in between a top 6 and bottom 6 type player and really doesn’t have the profile to slide into either.

 

[The Abusement Park]

He brings more offensive skills, but Drury is a much better skater and a much better defensively. KK is kind of stuck in between a top 6 and bottom 6 type player and really doesn’t have the profile to slide into either.

Kokta is pretty decent defensively though. Like I said Drury is clearly better value for money, but I think the "meme" or whatever of Kotka has people thinking he's worse than he is.

 

[hockeyfish]

Kokta is pretty decent defensively though. Like I said Drury is clearly better value for money, but I think the "meme" or whatever of Kotka has people thinking he's worse than he is.

That’s fair. Either way, Drury is a much better fit for the style the Avs play.

 

[forsbergavs32]

That’s fair. Either way, Drury is a much better fit for the style the Avs play.

That's where I'm at. We still have plenty of offense with 29, 8, 62, 13, 88, 27, and hopefully 37 can re-join the party.

Drury brings a good defensive PKer to our bottom 6. if he can put up 25-30 points that will be a nice bonus.

 

[CobraAcesS]

That’s fair. Either way, Drury is a much better fit for the style the Avs play.

Faster, and face-offs.

Necas thinks he has underrated hockey sense too.

 

[Bender]

Yes, he's not been great lately, but honestly - what depth player is consistently playing at the top of his game across 82 games? If he did, he would be a top line player, not a depth one. He was great early on, not so great now. He'll probably be pretty good again this season.

Colton's contract is not bad. Nor is Manson's, btw. They're mid-tier/2nd tier players, but good ones. They bring a physicality to their game that ups the $$$. Good players with some flaws. Precisely the "depth players" we'd be begging for if they weren't here. Precisely the "depth players" we currently want more of right now.

Colton is a ~20g/40pt guy (across a 82 game season), who plays a relatively simple (and physical) game. Those attributes/numbers get guys ~$4M per. That's the market. We've got two of them, they're pretty good, all things considered, and we'd be begging for them if they weren't here.

I can't fathom the people who gripe about Manson and Colton at $4M, claiming they're the problem. They're not.

The problem is 2C. Mittelstadt. Period. End of story. That's the problem.

And if they don't solve that problem, none of the rest of the story matters.


P.S. This is why I don't get the Jones discussion. The Avs have a formidable Top 4 defensively. The Crosby discussion I get. Though I think that's a pipe dream.

Good post by you.

As far as the bolded, we do have a very good Top-4 especially when Manson is playing well. The problem is, for the past little while - since returning from injury - he really hasn't played well at all. He's also often injured and 33 years old with only 1 more year left on his contract. So if he's injured when we're heading into the playoffs, with our lack of quality depth, we are in trouble.

Acquiring a player like Seth Jones, who's 30 with another 5 years left on his deal would stabilize our Top-4 for a good long while. It would give us options and a 'safety net' if there's a significant injury during the playoffs. That's the way I see it.

 

[hockeyfish]

I suspect, and I think I saw one of the insiders mention it, that Kokta to Drury is what finally got the deal done.

 

[the_fan]

The futures assets they would get for trading Necas would be similar to what they'd pay to add a legit goal scorer for this run.

They needed that shot threat badly. Which we know is why Mikko is valued so much higher than Necas.

Their core is also aging just like ours. Wasted years are hard to swallow.

Totally understand their side of the trade.

They still have few years contention window. If they don’t win the cup this year and can’t re-sign Mikko, they have to find another star forward. So unless they get lucky and a UFA star forward becomes available which they sign, they have to give up more assets to trade for a PPG star forward.

 

[CobraAcesS]

They still have few years contention window. If they don’t win the cup this year and can’t re-sign Mikko, they have to find another star forward. So unless they get lucky and a UFA star forward becomes available which they sign, they have to give up more assets to trade for a PPG star forward.

You can see why Mikko, and the Finnish connection was a shot they'd take though.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Good post by you.

As far as the bolded, we do have a very good Top-4 especially when Manson is playing well. The problem is, for the past little while - since returning from injury - he really hasn't played well at all. He's also often injured and 33 years old with only 1 more year left on his contract. So if he's injured when we're heading into the playoffs, with our lack of quality depth, we are in trouble.

Acquiring a player like Seth Jones, who's 30 with another 5 years left on his deal would stabilize our Top-4 for a good long while. It would give us options and a 'safety net' if there's a significant injury during the playoffs. That's the way I see it.

Based on the game I'm watching Jones is worth 7M.

7 points in his last five and a goal on the power play tonight.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Based on the game I'm watching Jones is worth 7M.

7 points in his last five and a goal on the power play tonight.

Jones is good. Not a cornerstone of a defense good. But he's good. Kinda how like Seabrook was back in the day. Seabrook would not have been "good" if he was your best dman, but since he was the 2/3D on the Hawks it never mattered.

 

[the_fan]

You can see why Mikko, and the Finnish connection was a shot they'd take though.

I totally understand why they traded for a guy like Mikko. They just have to try really hard to re-sign him.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I totally understand why they traded for a guy like Mikko. They just have to try really hard to re-sign him.

I do think they'll have to bend more than we would, but they can if he slides a counter across the table.

 

[hockeyfish]

I totally understand why they traded for a guy like Mikko. They just have to try really hard to re-sign him.

I’d be shocked if they can’t make it work.

 

[the_fan]

I do think they'll have to bend more than we would, but they can if he slides a counter across the table.

I do really hope he stays in Carolina because I wouldn’t want him to end up in west and possibly central division.

 

[Bender]

I do really hope he stays in Carolina because I wouldn’t want him to end up in west and possibly central division.

I think Mikko signs an extension with the Hurricanes within 2 weeks from now.

It's in the best interest of both parties to get a deal done.

From the Canes point of view - they don't want to be the team that gave up that package that includes Necas for a rental.

From Mikko's point of view - especially if he's finding that points are a little harder to come by with less ice-time and a different team, he's likely going to want to sign long-term with a team that includes his buddy Aho.

I could be wrong but I think it gets done.

 

[forsbergavs32]

Now...if we trade Miles Wood, do we need to bring in Kiefer Sherwood again to bring balance to the force?

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

The Avs aren't going to trade Manson.

It's more likely they acquire someone to add to their group and it 'relegates' Manson as their #5D.

After their run and during the off-season, they may decide to trade him and find a cheaper replacement though.

Agree with this. In the end I kinda like Manson's presence in the playoffs. Sure he isn't what he used to be but he is tough as nails. Those guys become more valuable in the playoff games.

Having Manson as a #5 sounds pretty good.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Now...if we trade Miles Wood, do we need to bring in Kiefer Sherwood again to bring balance to the force?

Mitts+Colton+Wood+Ritchie+1st 2016 for EP40 and Sherwood + retention of Miles Woods’ name (he will have to take his boys’ surname and go by Miles Colton)