Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[Balthazar]

What's a realistic Crosby package now? What would the Pens want?

They don't want to trade him and he doesn't want to get traded.

Time to forget about him and talk about a realistic trade target to help the offense. Because we need help.

 

[willy702]

They don't want to trade him and he doesn't want to get traded.

Time to forget about him and talk about a realistic trade target to help the offense. Because we need help.

Well it is a trade rumor talk forum and you know people will be floating it out there for awhile. Just curious if the Avs even have enough to get him if he told the Pens he was willing to go.

 

[Richard88]

Once Nuke returns, this is my preferred set of lines:

Drouin - MacKinnon - Nichuskin
Lehkonen - Mittlestadt - Necas
Colton - Parssinen - LOC
Wood - Drury - Kivi
Kelly

Let's say Landeskog returns for the playoffs, which I think is the plan right now. Someone smarter than me will have to determine if we have enough space to activate Landeskog at the deadline, but I doubt it. Obviously CMac isn't done making moves and will need to use the majority of that for breathing room.

With Landeskog:

Drouin - MacKinnon - Nichuskin
Landeskog - Mitts - Necas
Colton - Parssinen - Lehkonen
Wood - Drury - LOC
Kelly, Kivi

Notes:
- I put players in what I feel is their most natural position. Maybe swap Landeskog and Colton because Landy won't be handling top 6 minutes
- That's the CMac is talking about, all 4 of those lines are reliable.
- Obvious moves would be to improve on Parssinen or Mitts. Parssinen is the most 'out of place' in the lineup IMO. With Drury, maybe they aren't so committed to Parssinen and look to flip him for a legit 3C. With losing Rants though, i like his size in the lineup. Also with moving Rants, I would say we need to improve on Mitts and get a LH shooter for the PP (or just put Toews there)
- Other obvious needs are an improvement on the bottom pair, or on the 2nd pair to send Manson down, and that's our team

CMac said they hope Drury can be the 3C they've been looking for for a while.

If Landeskog returns it would be interesting to see him at 2LW with Necas at 2C. He always did the heavy lifting for MacKinnon so theoretically it should work for Necas too. And if that works you have two really good lines with elite-skating centers flanked by forwards who perfectly complement their style.

Drouin - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Landeskog - Necas - Lehkonen

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

This team needs badly someone who wants to score a goal. Not just one player either. So much perimeter passing the puck.

 

[UncleRisto]

Who is Ryder Balzac?

The brother of the other one. Kaedan or Keagan or Katelyn or Kegel.

 

[flyfysher]

CMac said they hope Drury can be the 3C they've been looking for for a while.

If Landeskog returns it would be interesting to see him at 2LW with Necas at 2C. He always did the heavy lifting for MacKinnon so theoretically it should work for Necas too. And if that works you have two really good lines with elite-skating centers flanked by forwards who perfectly complement their style.

Drouin - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Landeskog - Necas - Lehkonen

What do you do with Mitts? Get another 2C or Jones?

 

[hockeyfish]

Avs will have 3 million in cap space to work with when Wood gets back. Still need at least one, if not two defenders. And I suspect they will try to find a better 2C as well. Still a lot of work to do.

 

[Richard88]

What do you do with Mitts? Get another 2C or Jones?

Jones would be interesting but you have to be really careful capwise given that Necas and Makar are going to need big deals soon. They just traded Rantanen for cap reasons so it would potentially be really dumb to acquire Jones on the back of that if it handcuffs you later in the same way a Rantanen contract would have. If Chicago are willing to retain quite a bit though it may work.

Either way the forward lineup could look really deep if Landeskog returns and Necas can play 2C:

Drouin - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Landeskog - Necas - Lehkonen
Colton - Mittelstadt - O'Connor
Kelly - Drury - Kiviranta/Parssinen

The big question marks there (aside from how good/rusty Landeskog would be) are the two middle 6 C's. Can Necas play C, and can Mittelstadt return to his earlier form to the point where having him at 3C would create matchup problems for opponents?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

CMac said they hope Drury can be the 3C they've been looking for for a while.

If Landeskog returns it would be interesting to see him at 2LW with Necas at 2C. He always did the heavy lifting for MacKinnon so theoretically it should work for Necas too. And if that works you have two really good lines with elite-skating centers flanked by forwards who perfectly complement their style.

Drouin - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Landeskog - Necas - Lehkonen

I think the problem is there are options. Another coach would be giddy with the idea of mixing, matching, finding chemistry and altering the game plan to his players strengths. Bednar just taps random dudes on the shoulder and says go skate hard.

 

[The Merchant]

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Is this team even worth shelling out more futures to make a run this year?

I'm not sure. It might be best to just sit on what we have an re-evaluate everything from top down in the summer.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Is this team even worth shelling out more futures to make a run this year?

I'm not sure. It might be best to just sit on what we have an re-evaluate everything from top down in the summer.

So throw away another year?

 

[Richard88]

Is this team even worth shelling out more futures to make a run this year?

I'm not sure. It might be best to just sit on what we have an re-evaluate everything from top down in the summer.

The number of excess value contracts will diminish with each passing year as Drouin, Necas, Makar, etc start to get paid, thereby making it increasingly difficult to ice a contender. Also the age curve will become more and more prevalent.

This team needs to be going for it each and every year right now. And they have enough ammunition to plug whatever holes they need to at the TDL.

 

[the_fan]

What will it take to get Nelson from Isles? I think he’ll be a solid 2C option for the Avs

 

[Balthazar]

With CMac saying that he wants Drury at 3C, that means that he was likely wrong with the last 3 middle 6 centers that he traded for:

Ryjo
Mitts
Colton

That's not good.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

With CMac saying that he wants Drury at 3C, that means that he was likely wrong with the last 3 middle 6 centers that he traded for:

Ryjo
Mitts
Colton

That's not good.

I would say Colton was the only one who was supposed to be the third line center.

I don't think he really believes Drury will be the third line center. He hopes but he doesn't believe. Drury was got for the depth.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Avs will have 3 million in cap space to work with when Wood gets back. Still need at least one, if not two defenders. And I suspect they will try to find a better 2C as well. Still a lot of work to do.

Nope, we will have $5.59m in cap space if we go 13F + 7D.

Rumor: Post in thread '2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux'

Yesterday at 1:06 AM

Cap space update:

Miles Wood comes off IR tomorrow and we go down to $3,179,000 cap space.

With Wood, we would be at 15 forwards and 8 defensemen. That’s illegal.

2 guys will be sent down before the game. Possibly 3.

Innala - 870k
Wagner - 775k
Middleton - 775k

If 2 of those 3 go down, frees up another $1,550,000 or $1,645,000 if Innala is one of them.

That would give us either $4,729,000 or $4,824,000(if Innala is one of them) in cap space.

If we send all 3 down, we would have $5,599,000 in cap space.

That would be $5,599,000 cap space with a roster of 13 forwards + 7 defensemen...

• RoyIsALegend

• 

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Nope, we will have $5.59m in cap space if we go 13F + 7D.

Rumor: Post in thread '2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux'

Yesterday at 1:06 AM

Cap space update:

Miles Wood comes off IR tomorrow and we go down to $3,179,000 cap space.

With Wood, we would be at 15 forwards and 8 defensemen. That’s illegal.

2 guys will be sent down before the game. Possibly 3.

Innala - 870k
Wagner - 775k
Middleton - 775k

If 2 of those 3 go down, frees up another $1,550,000 or $1,645,000 if Innala is one of them.

That would give us either $4,729,000 or $4,824,000(if Innala is one of them) in cap space.

If we send all 3 down, we would have $5,599,000 in cap space.

That would be $5,599,000 cap space with a roster of 13 forwards + 7 defensemen...

• RoyIsALegend

• 

We don't need to carry two extra skaters so there's another league min contract gone. Plus if activating Landy, you need to send someone else down, so that's two league min contracts gone. That should put us up to 7M in capspace, no?

 

[forsbergavs32]

Its gonna be a tight squeeze to get a 2C if they decide to move on from Mitts and add a D-Man (or 2).

 

[hockeyfish]

Nope, we will have $5.59m in cap space if we go 13F + 7D.

Rumor: Post in thread '2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux'

Yesterday at 1:06 AM

Cap space update:

Miles Wood comes off IR tomorrow and we go down to $3,179,000 cap space.

With Wood, we would be at 15 forwards and 8 defensemen. That’s illegal.

2 guys will be sent down before the game. Possibly 3.

Innala - 870k
Wagner - 775k
Middleton - 775k

If 2 of those 3 go down, frees up another $1,550,000 or $1,645,000 if Innala is one of them.

That would give us either $4,729,000 or $4,824,000(if Innala is one of them) in cap space.

If we send all 3 down, we would have $5,599,000 in cap space.

That would be $5,599,000 cap space with a roster of 13 forwards + 7 defensemen...

• RoyIsALegend

• 

Aren't they at 7D right now?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Is this team even worth shelling out more futures to make a run this year?

I'm not sure. It might be best to just sit on what we have an re-evaluate everything from top down in the summer.

How will we know if we don't even try?

 

[Pokecheque]

They also lost the opportunity to trade Hall for a 2nd at the deadline

The way Hall was playing they weren’t getting a 2nd for him.

That said, it’s ridiculous to only get a 3rd (their own pick in fact) for that AND full retention on Rantanen.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

The number of excess value contracts will diminish with each passing year as Drouin, Necas, Makar, etc start to get paid, thereby making it increasingly difficult to ice a contender. Also the age curve will become more and more prevalent.

This team needs to be going for it each and every year right now. And they have enough ammunition to plug whatever holes they need to at the TDL.

I dont think that's necessarily true.

Today, Macks $12.6M isn't really an excess value deal. In 2 years with a $100M cap though, his contract is gonna look the $6.3M deal he was on 8 years ago.

Blackwood at $5.25M, no really a deal at the moment but a $100M cap and it looks way better.


I'm just not convinced this group is a cup contender, but you could do a fair bit of roster reconstruction in the summer. Then again with the way CMac is operating these days maybe he'll just f***ing do the complete reconstruction mid-season.

 

[dahrougem2]

Gotta wonder who CMac is kicking tires on.

Last season he brought in Mittelstadt, Trenin, Duhaime, and Walker. Bednar only cared for Mittelstadt and the other three might as well f***ed off to Siberia for all he cared.

That sort of thing has got to be maddening for a GM. CMac must be worried that whoever he acquires for depth will go to Bednar's doghouse within 5 days if they don't do EXACTLY what he wants.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

How will we know if we don't even try?

Everything this team has shown us this year is IMO enough to know this group doesn't have it tbh.