Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[The Abusement Park]

Insanely different scenarios.

Burakovsky was a middle-six winger for this club, Zegras would have the expectation of playing 2C behind MacKinnon.

Bednar had others in front of Burakovsky to play/trust especially after Lehkonen arrived. Zegras wouldn't have that luxury and if he's a lemon, it's Parker Kelly at 2C time.

I definitely agree positionally that there was less risk/importance there. Hence why Bednar should get input on if he thinks he can get something out of Zegras.

Are we already not at Drury at 2C time? Mitts is playing 9mine a game. If you swap Mitts/Zegras and he flops we’re in the same situation.

I guess I don’t really know what people expect out of a trade for a 2C. You’re either getting someone who’s a marginal upgrade but still not a good fit on Mitts ala Zacha/Nelson. Or you have to take a risk on a younger guy and hope he fits/figures it out like a Cozens/Zegrad. I’m not saying Zegras is a sure fire solution but I’d rather take a shot on someone that has legit high end talent than add another one talent bum that doesn’t change anything.

 

[dahrougem2]

I definitely agree positionally that there was less risk/importance there. Hence why Bednar should get input on if he thinks he can get something out of Zegras.

Are we already not at Drury at 2C time? Mitts is playing 9mine a game. If you swap Mitts/Zegras and he flops we’re in the same situation.

I guess I don’t really know what people expect out of a trade for a 2C. You’re either getting someone who’s a marginal upgrade but still not a good fit on Mitts ala Zacha/Nelson. Or you have to take a risk on a younger guy and hope he fits/figures it out like a Cozens/Zegrad.

I think the production is something that will ebb and flow - nobody should expect 100 point pace Kadri.

We just want to see someone who fits. As poor of a 2C as he was, J.T Compher at least fit with his skating and his hockey IQ.

 

[Richard88]

Zegras has clear flaws but the upside is immense.

Drouin - MacKinnon - Necas
Lehkonen - Zegras - Nichushkin

There's no better situation for him than centering a line with two two-way beasts in Lehkonen and Nichushkin who can do all the hard work and let him do his thing.

I'd much rather roll the dice with pure talent like that, rather than go for some halfway solution like Gourde.

A lot was also said about Drouin not being a two-way player, but he reinvented and recommitted himself under Bednar. Burakovsky also did really well with the Avs, though he admittedly had excellent puck transition metrics which suggested that he could be a good fit stylistically.

Bottom line is that the Avs don't have a lot of options, certainly not many (or any at all) good options, so one way or another CMac will need to take a risk.

 

[Avs_19]

Where's the Zegras speculation coming from?

 

[CobraAcesS]

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Where's the Zegras speculation coming from?

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Feb 9, 2025

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[RoyIsALegend]

- Avs scouting Zegras “hard”
- Ducks don’t want Mitts
- CMac at Blue Jackets games
- Columbus rumored to be interested in Mitts

To COL: Zegras + Dumoulin
To CBJ: Mittelstadt
To ANA: ???

 

[dahrougem2]

- Avs scouting Zegras “hard”
- Ducks don’t want Mitts
- CMac at Blue Jackets games
- Columbus rumored to be interested in Mitts

To COL: Zegras + Dumoulin
To CBJ: Mittelstadt
To ANA: ???

Anaheim can f*** off is what they'll get

 

[Balthazar]

Zegras would benefit from a change of scenery but not here. It's the worst system for him in the entire league.

 

[forsbergavs32]

After that poem I think Sid needs to waive to come to Colorado

 

[The Abusement Park]

I think the production is something that will ebb and flow - nobody should expect 100 point pace Kadri.

We just want to see someone who fits. As poor of a 2C as he was, J.T Compher at least fit with his skating and his hockey IQ.

The best fit out there, that makes sense for what Cmac does is probably Cozens. Dude plays north/south, can skate and is young. But cost would be the biggest issue there.

 

[Richard88]

- Avs scouting Zegras “hard”
- Ducks don’t want Mitts
- CMac at Blue Jackets games
- Columbus rumored to be interested in Mitts

To COL: Zegras + Dumoulin
To CBJ: Mittelstadt
To ANA: ???

If CMac is scouting CBJ one would think there would be at least one roster player going from CBJ to Colorado as part of the deal. My bet would be Kuraly, since the Avs don't have a 4C.

Also consider that the Avs have $5.6m in capspace. Zegras and Mittelstadt have equal caphits so no change there. Adding Dumoulin would add $3.15m (or less if there's retention), which would leave 2.45m in capspace, just a hair shy of Kuraly's $2.5m caphit. You'd easily get $5k retention to solve that. That said, you'd probably have to send a body back just for the roster numbers to make sense though (eg. Kiviranta), and that effectively makes you cap compliant again.

 

[Balthazar]

the Avs don't have a 4C

This will please @RoyIsALegend

 

[RoyIsALegend]

This will please @RoyIsALegend

Not necessarily pleases, but I’ve always said if they can’t get a deal done then he needs to be traded. That was my only point.

If it was as mutual and easy an extension as some people thought it would be, it would’ve already been done.

 

[dahrougem2]

The best fit out there, that makes sense for what Cmac does is probably Cozens. Dude plays north/south, can skate and is young. But cost would be the biggest issue there.

Oh I don't know that I agree. @Balthazar knows my disdain for Cozens. Guy never met a dangle attempt he didn't like.

 

[Avs_19]

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Feb 9, 2025

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Next question: Where's that screenshot from? Which site/reporter, @Balthazar?

Need to decide whether to trust it or not.

 

[Richard88]

If CMac is scouting CBJ one would think there would be at least one roster player going from CBJ to Colorado as part of the deal. My bet would be Kuraly, since the Avs don't have a 4C.

Also consider that the Avs have $5.6m in capspace. Zegras and Mittelstadt have equal caphits so no change there. Adding Dumoulin would add $3.15m (or less if there's retention), which would leave 2.45m in capspace, just a hair shy of Kuraly's $2.5m caphit. You'd easily get $5k retention to solve that. That said, you'd probably have to send a body back just for the roster numbers to make sense though (eg. Kiviranta), and that effectively makes you cap compliant again.

Just took a closer look at the idea above.

Mittelstadt to CBJ for pick(s) + Kuraly

Pick(s) to Anaheim for Zegras + Dumoulin.

That leaves the 24 man roster below, which is $51k over the cap ceiling. Just need to take your pick on one player to waive or include in a trade and you've got a cap compliant 23 man roster.

Important to note that both CBJ and Anaheim are budget conscious so they may not like retaining, but this trade scenario doesn't require any retention.

 

[VikingAv]

Just took a closer look at the idea above.

Mittelstadt to CBJ for pick(s) + Kuraly

Pick(s) to Anaheim for Zegras + Dumoulin.

That leaves the 24 man roster below, which is $51k over the cap ceiling. Just need to take your pick on one player to waive or include in a trade and you've got a cap compliant 23 man roster.

Important to note that both CBJ and Anaheim are budget conscious so they may not like retaining, but this trade scenario doesn't require any retention.

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As if Bednar is going to bench Kelly.....
Bye, bye Pärssinen in this case. Probably dealt in one of the two trades you got here.

 

[Balthazar]

Next question: Where's that screenshot from? Which site/reporter, @Balthazar?

Need to decide whether to trust it or not.

It's on the same site I posted in the previous message.

 

[Richard88]

As if Bednar is going to bench Kelly.....
Bye, bye Pärssinen in this case. Probably dealt in one of the two trades you got here.

You could bench Parssinen or Wood instead, and play Kelly at 4LW. Adding a proper 4C creates a lot of flexibility on the 4th line.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Just took a closer look at the idea above.

Mittelstadt to CBJ for pick(s) + Kuraly

Pick(s) to Anaheim for Zegras + Dumoulin.

That leaves the 24 man roster below, which is $51k over the cap ceiling. Just need to take your pick on one player to waive or include in a trade and you've got a cap compliant 23 man roster.

Important to note that both CBJ and Anaheim are budget conscious so they may not like retaining, but this trade scenario doesn't require any retention.

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What is a Kuraly and why does it cost 2.5M?

 

[Tommy Shelby]

If they're scouting Anaheim, I highly doubt it's for Zegras. It's most likely Dumoulin they're looking at

 

[Richard88]

If they're scouting Anaheim, I highly doubt it's for Zegras. It's most likely Dumoulin they're looking at

They need a 2C if they trade Mittelstadt though.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Oh goodness, I can’t wait to reflect on how the Avs turned the Duchene deal into Girard, a 32 year old 4th line center and a soft floater who only wants to play hockey as if it were pond hockey and a competitor like Ryan Getzlaf absolutely hated. That would be quite the way to slam the door shut on the contention window

 

[CobraAcesS]

If they're scouting Anaheim, I highly doubt it's for Zegras. It's most likely Dumoulin they're looking at

Who said we're scouting Anaheim? So far it's been Chicago and CBJ?