Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[EdAVSfan]

This team will not succeed with Manson on the second pairing.

That's where the assets and cap need to go.

I agree 100%. Manson needs to be the 5th most used dman in the postseason, just like he was 3 years ago when they won the cup. Not drastically 5th, but there needs to be 4 guys that you want to use more.

 

[hockeyfish]

I agree 100%. Manson needs to be the 5th most used dman in the postseason, just like he was 3 years ago when they won the cup. Not drastically 5th, but there needs to be 4 guys that you want to use more.

More importantly, you can't have two guys who routinely only get 10 minutes. A 10 minute 3rd pairing means the other two pairs play 25 minutes.

 

[shadow1]

Do you recall if the Mitts Nelson discussion was before or after the Rantanen trade?

For the life of me, I can’t understand acquiring Nelson to replace Mitts. This is why I ask if the discussion was before the Rantanen trade because they then added Drury as a 2C.
I could understand Nelson if it was simply to add him to Colorado, but definitely not in exchange for Mittlestadt.

It was the night of, I caught part of it, Cobra caught all of it (not that there was a ton to catch).

I think Nelson is the better player in a vacuum, but I don't personally think the team should go there. Nelson's only a few months younger than O'Reilly, his production has dipped, and he's a pending UFA. Trading for and extending a guy who'll be 34 at the start of next season doesn't seem like an Avalanche-type move.

 

[dahrougem2]

That's why Mitts doesn't work

Misleading tweet, though. That user clearly values individual skaters over the way teams play. IMO there are plenty of teams now playing faster than the Avs do.

What would it take to acquire Cozens?

Cozens is a donkey. Poor man's Matt Duchene who tries to dangle every player in sight like it's still the WHL. I wouldn't give up anything of value for him.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

I agree 100%. Manson needs to be the 5th most used dman in the postseason, just like he was 3 years ago when they won the cup. Not drastically 5th, but there needs to be 4 guys that you want to use more.

Yes even if you think Manson is adequate (which he arguably is) in spurts due to an injury. He needs to be pushed down to #5 when the inevitable injuries occur over a playoff run.


The Avs are one bad hit from having Manson as a #3 and either Malinski/CdH on the second pair.

Not to mention the fact that Manson has only a year on his contract so a solution needs to be found this year before the cap skyrockets.

The Petterson Vancouver got may reset the market on desirable but not that great second pair dmen at 7 millions. It would be wise to get a guy signed for a few years.

Manson seems like he's well liked and a warrior on the ice. He'd do well in a 2.5m bottom pairing role. Like a Miles Wood who's actually worth his pay.

 

[Richard88]

Misleading tweet, though. That user clearly values individual skaters over the way teams play. IMO there are plenty of teams now playing faster than the Avs do.

Cozens is a donkey. Poor man's Matt Duchene who tries to dangle every player in sight like it's still the WHL. I wouldn't give up anything of value for him.

I agree. Mittelstadt was the center to target from Buffalo. Alas his skating/endurance/stamina doesn't seem to be working.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I agree. Mittelstadt was the center to target from Buffalo. Alas his skating/endurance/stamina doesn't seem to be working.

Those are things he can adjust though, and seems to trending in the right direction.

I think he's using his wingers better, and leaning defensively lately.

 

[avsfan2189]

what's everyones thoughts on Tommy Novak?

i remember last year he emerged as a legit top 6 for Nashville and I think maybe he could thrive in this system and is only signed for 3.5 mil.

i havent seen him extensively so I dont know how good his skating is but surely it can't be worse than mits.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

I agree. Mittelstadt was the center to target from Buffalo. Alas his skating/endurance/stamina doesn't seem to be working.

Make him train with MacK in the offseason. He'll show up next training camp at 6'2.25" and 215 lbs ready to kick ass and eat chickpea.

 

[Grackle Party]

TFP has the Avs "Linked" to
Nelson
Palmieri
M Ferraro
Matt Grzelcyk

 

[Balthazar]

TFP has the Avs "Linked" to Palmieri

Hes going to be this years' old vet if the Isles sell.

 

[Balthazar]

Cozens is a donkey. Poor man's Matt Duchene who tries to dangle every player in sight like it's still the WHL. I wouldn't give up anything of value for him.

Come on now...tell the truth: you keep hating on him because you picked him in your fantasy team last year and he didn't produce as much as you thought.

 

[Richard88]

Yes even if you think Manson is adequate (which he arguably is) in spurts due to an injury. He needs to be pushed down to #5 when the inevitable injuries occur over a playoff run.


The Avs are one bad hit from having Manson as a #3 and either Malinski/CdH on the second pair.

Not to mention the fact that Manson has only a year on his contract so a solution needs to be found this year before the cap skyrockets.

The Petterson Vancouver got may reset the market on desirable but not that great second pair dmen at 7 millions. It would be wise to get a guy signed for a few years.

Manson seems like he's well liked and a warrior on the ice. He'd do well in a 2.5m bottom pairing role. Like a Miles Wood who's actually worth his pay.

This is why Jones is a good solution. Other more average Dmen are soon going to be commanding crazy caphits, but at least with him you have cap certainty at the position for 5 years without an inflating cap having an impact.

It's also why it makes sense to target players with some term left right now in general, not just Dmen, rather than pending UFA's. But those guys might also be pricier to acquire unless teams really want to move them.

 

[hockeyfish]

TFP has the Avs "Linked" to
Nelson
Palmieri
M Ferraro
Matt Grzelcyk

Whatever happened to Ferraro. A few years ago everyone was pining to swap him and Girard.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

I still think a middle six RW would be good, ideally a right shot. Just curious on everyone's thoughts to what degree it matters that we don't have a lot of natural RWs. Parsnip has typically been C or LW, Nuke before he came here played LW, same with Lehky, Drouin, Colton etc. I don't think its a huge impact based on the system and how certain players play (Nuke, Lehky) but on the breakout angle to the ice and goal matters to some degree, stick positioning for board battles among other things. Thoughts? I feel like an over abundance of LW and a potential Landy return is why they need to move Colton and Wood so other players can play their more natural positions

Which is why a Bjorkstrand or Tuch would make a lot of sense.

 

[CobraAcesS]

TFP has the Avs "Linked" to
Nelson
Palmieri
M Ferraro
Matt Grzelcyk

 

[GirardSpinorama]

We need a big dman who can PK. Crease needs to be cleared.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

We need a big dman who can PK. Crease needs to be cleared.

And Makar's minutes need to be reduced and PK minutes are the best to cut with him.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

We need a big dman who can PK. Crease needs to be cleared.

Your wish has been granted. Desharnais for 2 second rounders will be the big dman the Avs acquire.

You may laugh. You may cry. I may be day drinking.

 

[Freaky Styley]

I dont "hate" him....

But "playing better of late" doesnt help this team. Everyone knows how important that 2C is for the AVS.

And too bad wie moved a valuable piece for him. I really thought he could be the solution. And after signing his new contract and having plenty of time in the summer to prepare we got this.....

I say go after someone like O´Reilly because Nashville is done. Send them Mitts + .....

We wont win shit with our 2C playing like this for nearly 4 months....

If you think Mitts is too slow for Bednar's system...

 

[Freaky Styley]

There's a thread on the main board about Josh Anderson's value at 50% retained.

At $5.5m x2.5 it isn't viable, but at 50% ($2.75m aav) it would be pretty interesting imo.

His real salary is also lower in the last two years, at $5m and $3.5m, so at 50% that's $2.5m and $1.75m in the last two years.

The main issue would be Montreal's retention slots. They'd probably prefer to use them on their pending UFA's like Evans, Savard, Dvorak, or Armia this year. But if they'd get a decent enough return (eg. a 1st) maybe that's something they'd consider.

A 1st would seem unlikely from the Avs perspective, but something centered around the NYR 2025 2nd might be close enough as a main piece.

Anderson's defensive game has improved and he's a good PK'er, and he'd slot in at 3RW next to Drury.

Drouin - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Lehkonen - Mittelstadt - Necas
Colton - Drury - Anderson
Wood - Kelly - O'Connor
Kiviranta/Parssinen

With ~$5.6m in capspace that would leave 2.85m left to spend on a Dman. For example you could still fit Dumoulin at 50% ($1.575m) or Lindgren at 50% ($2.25m).

Or alternatively you ship Colton to NJ and treat Anderson as his replacement, using the ~$1.25m savings towards Seth Jones.

I'd be open to adding Anderson. But Avs need to prioritize a top 4 RHD before they make a move like that.

 

[Freaky Styley]

what's everyones thoughts on Tommy Novak?

i remember last year he emerged as a legit top 6 for Nashville and I think maybe he could thrive in this system and is only signed for 3.5 mil.

i havent seen him extensively so I dont know how good his skating is but surely it can't be worse than mits.

Novak is a hard guy to gauge. I don't think they'd bring him in to replace Mitts, as that could be a net negative. However, he could be brought in as some insurance and might be a buy-low candidate.

Question is - was he a flash in the pan? I like the player and obviously the Preds are a mess this year but they aren''t exactly dripping with Center depth so I'm not even sure who you'd move to get him. Colton would have to be moving out most likely, perhaps in a separate deal.

 

[BobRossColton]

 

[Freaky Styley]

IIRC he can play his offside too. Might not be a bad fall-back plan, he hasn't fit well in Vancouver but played well in the Seattle series a couple years ago

 

[BobRossColton]

IIRC he can play his offside too. Might not be a bad fall-back plan, he hasn't fit well in Vancouver but played well in the Seattle series a couple years ago

Yeah I've wanted soucy before and his contract isn't bad at all