Boston Bruins 2024-2025 Roster & Salary Cap Discussion V

[Dr Quincy]

The pro Florida side of a discussion

Barkov was a ballsy pick wasn’t supposed to go there

Tkachuk trade by Zito outstanding
Bennett a distressed asset he stole him
Reinhart brilliant trade
Lundell great pick
Verhague good judgement & good fortune

I get it but all 6 guys had a little bit to a lot more then already assembled open pack plug in and ta da

Was supposed to go 4th, behind some combo of Mackinnon, Jones and Drouin. People thought NAS got a steal with Jones at 4.

 

[Hookslide]

You read my wrong, he will be on the roster

Bruins are not going to put him in the AHL other than some seasoning games. He's a NHL player

I am not so sure about that, AHL time might be very beneficial to him, but I have been wrong before...........

 

[Over the volcano]

JVR 2nd overall
Lindholm 6th overall
Zacha 6th overall
Debrusk 14th overall
McAvoy 14th overall
Shattenkirk 14th overall

Oh sure I was just posting the guys DKH mentioned, but if we want to go down the line - could throw in these guys as well.

Ekblad 1st overall
OEL 6th overall
Okposo 7th overall

That's what, 8 guys who were top 10 overall picks?

 

[BruinDust]

The kid has an elite skill set, lit it up last year in the AHL and specifically out scored most of his age peers.

Lysell is perplexing. It's too bad they at least didn't give him a game or two to see how he looked in the show.

Sometimes you get players who are better NHLers than AHLers. The NHL is more predictable as players stick to the system more than down in the AHL. For some players, that is a big help.

Production-wise Lysell has had some success in the AHL, especially relative to his peers. Meanwhile, when he went down to the WJC that year from the AHL he was absolutely terrible for Sweden in a tournament where he SHOULD of been a dominant player given his age and pedigree coming from the AHL. By the end his coach didn't even want to use him and he was basically their 13th F.

My point being he could perform in the AHL which is more structured than the loosy-goosey more chaotic play that is found at the WJC where he really struggled. Maybe he's one of those players that play better with more structure.

 

[GordonHowe]

A quote from the supposedly greatest coach in this history of the NHL, the darling of Bruins fans everywhere, Mr. Paul Maurice.

"We don't talk to Patty anymore. We just talk to everybody else – tell them to give him the puck."

I don't know where or why things went off the rails for Laine. At one point back in 2018 he looked poised to take OV's crown as the purest shooter on the planet. If I had to say who is the purest shooter I've ever seen in hockey, ever, it's Patrik Laine. I've never seen someone who could shoot the puck like he can, his release is like watching Ken Griffey Jr. swing at a baseball. It's just pure natural talent.

No thanks just the same.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Lysell is perplexing. It's too bad they at least didn't give him a game or two to see how he looked in the show.

Sometimes you get players who are better NHLers than AHLers. The NHL is more predictable as players stick to the system more than down in the AHL. For some players, that is a big help.

Production-wise Lysell has had some success in the AHL, especially relative to his peers. Meanwhile, when he went down to the WJC that year from the AHL he was absolutely terrible for Sweden in a tournament where he SHOULD of been a dominant player given his age and pedigree coming from the AHL. By the end his coach didn't even want to use him and he was basically their 13th F.

My point being he could perform in the AHL which is more structured than the loosy-goosey more chaotic play that is found at the WJC where he really struggled. Maybe he's one of those players that play better with more structure.

But they have coaches in the AHL who are telling them who they believe can come up and help the team. Yes he has produced at the AHL level. But is his game anywhere close to NHL ready? I know Diver can be a downer on guys, but I at least suspect some of what he says about guys is what he is hearing from the staff in Providence/Boston

Do I think that if Lysell were given a chance to play a top 6 role, and miraculously survived 82 games, would he put up 50+ points. Yeah I think he would. Do I think he would be a plus player? No probably not, and i don't mean the stat, i mean would he contribute more than he hurts the team, and that answer is probably not. Do I think he would drive the fans and the coaching staff insane , Yes I think he would. I think people would have more respect for Pasta's all around game at that point if they saw Lysell's

 

[bbfan419]

If they could get him for the right deal and then add a guy like Lindholm:

Zacha - Lindholm - Pastrnak
Marchand - Coyle - Laine

That's a pretty solid top 6.

If Lindholm plays like this year's playoffs Lindholm and Laine returns to his old form with that lethal shot, that could be a very dangerous top 6.

 

[sarge88]

I am all for giving Lysell a look in training camp but this shit that he is competing to be a second line winger next year is just not rational, just like Merkolov, Poitras, any of the Bruin's prospects, I am a show me type guy, none of them should be counted on, they should be looked at given a chance and hope they are pleasant surprises. Do not build this roster around them.

I agree.

I’m still 100% convinced they need 3 top 6 forwards or 2 and JDB back.

If one of these kids lights it up in camp, I don’t see why they can’t play on the 4th line in Boston to start. If they force their way into the lineup because they outplay someone, or if someone gets hurt then it’s a good problem to have.

It’s not 1997 anymore. Fourth lines are no longer all muscle or defense only.

 

[BruinDust]

But they have coaches in the AHL who are telling them who they believe can come up and help the team. Yes he has produced at the AHL level. But is his game anywhere close to NHL ready? I know Diver can be a downer on guys, but I at least suspect some of what he says about guys is what he is hearing from the staff in Providence/Boston

Do I think that if Lysell were given a chance to play a top 6 role, and miraculously survived 82 games, would he put up 50+ points. Yeah I think he would. Do I think he would be a plus player? No probably not, and i don't mean the stat, i mean would he contribute more than he hurts the team, and that answer is probably not. Do I think he would drive the fans and the coaching staff insane , Yes I think he would. I think people would have more respect for Pasta's all around game at that point if they saw Lysell's

And I'm just speculating based on his production in the AHL and his awful performance at the WJC. I haven't seen him in the AHL. I don't suspect his play without the puck is terribly strong. The way his Swedish coach gave up using him at the WJC was very concerning. It would of been nice to see him in the NHL for a couple games last year so they'd have a better idea how to approach this off-season whether he's viewed as trade bait or someone they think will step up next year. I haven't read what Divver said but he's respected so his take is also concerning.

Pasta's two-way game is vastly underrated IMO.

 

[Hookslide]

I agree.

I’m still 100% convinced they need 3 top 6 forwards or 2 and JDB back.

If one of these kids lights it up in camp, I don’t see why they can’t play on the 4th line in Boston to start. If they force their way into the lineup because they outplay someone, or if someone gets hurt then it’s a good problem to have.

It’s not 1997 anymore. Fourth lines are no longer all muscle or defense only.

The more and more I think of Laine the more I am intrigued by him. I am just against giving out 7-8 years 8-9 mil to a Lindholm, sorry do not want to be trapped into that type of contract. I know he has been mentioned in the past for the Bruins and to be honest was never on board and one reason age, but if you could get a Laine what do you think of Adam Henrigue, not a cap killer, and give another season to look for that center that everyone wants.

 

[Fenian24]

In part I, agree with your post. I need to respectfully phrase this, I was not sure why he was in the PA program, and now that I realize it was not drugs, maybe he is worth taking a chance on with the right players around him in the right atmosphere, he might be worth a shot. Maybe this is where a Maroon influence comes into play, this from someone who hated Maroon, but after listening to him these last few months seems like a pretty good guy, and why he is respected. I also and believe, I am not a cap guy, but for only two years would it be better to not give up a lot of assets for him and take on most of if not all of the contract. You are not stuck with 7-8 years at 8 mil with a signing and if can return to form at only 26 what pressure he would take and help Pasta........

Keep Maroon, add Dillon and a gamble on Laine is worth it. If you don't add a couple of strong leaders/voices to the room I would not take the gamble for Laine, even getting him out of the dumpster fire of Columbus he comes with baggage

 

[BamBamCam]

If you want the Bruins to gamble on a Finnish player .
Then they should go after Kaapo Kakko.
Even though they probably don't have the assets.

 

[Greek_physique]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10124812-4-potential-trade-options-for-new-york-rangers-center-mika-zibanejad

Sign me up!

 

[DKH]

Was supposed to go 4th, behind some combo of Mackinnon, Jones and Drouin. People thought NAS got a steal with Jones at 4.

I went to that draft in NJ and when they took him I was in ‘huh….wha?’ Mode

 

[CDJ]

If you want the Bruins to gamble on a Finnish player .
Then they should go after Kaapo Kakko.
Even though they probably don't have the assets.

What, a 3rd round pick?

 

[GordonHowe]

And I'm just speculating based on his production in the AHL and his awful performance at the WJC. I haven't seen him in the AHL. I don't suspect his play without the puck is terribly strong. The way his Swedish coach gave up using him at the WJC was very concerning. It would of been nice to see him in the NHL for a couple games last year so they'd have a better idea how to approach this off-season whether he's viewed as trade bait or someone they think will step up next year. I haven't read what Divver said but he's respected so his take is also concerning.

Pasta's two-way game is vastly underrated IMO.

I posted the podcast featuring Mark Divver talking about both Brendan Dillon for the Bruins and about the assessment of NHL scouts relative to Lysell. The comments he relayed were quite damning. It was the scouts saying he has no trade value, overvalues his game and ability, is an "independent contractor," etc. Not Divver.

Remember, Ryan Mougenel was quite explicit and critical of FB''s play earlier this season, especially in terms of playing a team game rather than freelancing, which apparently he has a propensity to do. My understanding is that he played better after that, but the recent scouting assessments do not bode well.

 

[sarge88]

The more and more I think of Laine the more I am intrigued by him. I am just against giving out 7-8 years 8-9 mil to a Lindholm, sorry do not want to be trapped into that type of contract. I know he has been mentioned in the past for the Bruins and to be honest was never on board and one reason age, but if you could get a Laine what do you think of Adam Henrigue, not a cap killer, and give another season to look for that center that everyone wants.

I’ve never been a Henrique fan.

I’d be good with Laine if it were a situation where he was bought out and we signed him on a 1-2 year “prove it” deal. But I don’t know if Columbus would be willing to buy him out and I highly doubt they’d retain enough of his 8.7 to make me comfortable going that route.

I know a lot of people would shy away from him, but he has elite talent and goal scoring ability. I have no idea where he is in regard to his recovery, and I hope he’s in a good place.

If he were in the right frame of mind, this could be a very good place for him, with Montgomery being here and the positive, professional culture to support him.

 

[Hookslide]

Keep Maroon, add Dillon and a gamble on Laine is worth it. If you don't add a couple of string leaders/voices to the room I would not take the gamble fot Laine, even getting him out of the dumpster fire of Columbus he comes with baggage

Dillon would be a good addition, also Laine does not have to be the guy Pasta is, but he also tales on some of the goal scoring responsibility. Time has come for the front office to show some balls and rebuild during the off season for a change. I recently posted about Adam Henrique, who have been against in the past, what are your thoughts?

 

[DKH]

In the spirit of Cherry Hill Park, all of this Ullmark and Ottawa trade talk will lead to nothing more than being "Down In The Boondocks".

My Generation - Sanderson, Orr, Espo and McKenzie

 

[BruinDust]

I posted the podcast featuring Mark Divver talking about both Brendan Dillon for the Bruins and about the assessment of NHL scouts relative to Lysell. The comments he relayed were quite damning. It was the scouts saying he has no trade value, overvalues his game and ability, is an "independent contractor," etc. Not Divver.

Remember, Ryan Mougenel was quite explicit and critical of FB''s play earlier this season, especially in terms of playing a team game rather than freelancing, which apparently he has a propensity to do. My understanding is that he played better after that, but the recent scouting assessments do not bode well.

It's even worse than I thought. But it sort of lines up with his WJC performance.

 

[Hookslide]

I’ve never been a Henrique fan.

I’d be good with Laine if it were a situation where he was bought out and we signed him on a 1-2 year “prove it” deal. But I don’t know if Columbus would be willing to buy him out and I highly doubt they’d retain enough of his 8.7 to make me comfortable going that route.

I know a lot of people would shy away from him, but he has elite talent and goal scoring ability. I have no idea where he is in regard to his recovery, and I hope he’s in a good place.

If he were in the right frame of mind, this could be a very good place for him, with Montgomery being here and the positive, professional culture to support him.

I am totally out of my usual thinking but for two years, I just don't give a shit about the money, that is why I mentioned Henrique, or someone similar .

 

[BruinDust]

I’ve never been a Henrique fan.

The Bruins have at least 3 guys, maybe 4, who can play center now who are better than Adam Henrique.

I said it at the time the Oilers vastly overpaid to rent him at the deadline. Sweeney would of been roasted here had he made the same deal and rightfully so.

 

[DKH]

I’ve never been a Henrique fan.

I’d be good with Laine if it were a situation where he was bought out and we signed him on a 1-2 year “prove it” deal. But I don’t know if Columbus would be willing to buy him out and I highly doubt they’d retain enough of his 8.7 to make me comfortable going that route.

I know a lot of people would shy away from him, but he has elite talent and goal scoring ability. I have no idea where he is in regard to his recovery, and I hope he’s in a good place.

If he were in the right frame of mind, this could be a very good place for him, with Montgomery being here and the positive, professional culture to support him.

Henrique is on my SIM team - watch him all the time

You aren’t a fan

I would pass if Donny because of age

About 4 years to late on him

 

[BamBamCam]

What, a 3rd round pick?

Do they have a 3rd round pick this year?
Plus a young second overall pick is going for more than a 3rd round pick.

 

[Hookslide]

The Bruins have at least 3 guys, maybe 4, who can play center now who are better than Adam Henrique.

I said it at the time the Oilers vastly overpaid to rent him at the deadline.

You are probably right, I was against him the past, I was just looking for a temporary fill to fit Laine in. You are right I think the centers we have do not get enough love.....