Injury Report: 2024-2025 Injury thread | HF’s Longest Thread Just Got Longer

[BaconNater]

I was pretty optimistic but that one doesn't sound encouraging that's sad

 

[missionAvs]

Ugh man this sucks. Doesn't sound great at all. Definitely smells of come back, play a few games, and then LTIR the rest of the contract term. What a warrior for us. Literally sacrificed his body for this team to win a cup.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

That really doesn’t sound encouraging, honestly, he’s got a young family…I kind of hope he chooses what’s best long-term rather than short-term for himself

 

[LOFIN]

That really doesn’t sound encouraging, honestly, he’s got a young family…I kind of hope he chooses what’s best long-term rather than short-term for himself

A lot of people have described the injury as such that it can't really get worse, and it doesn't affect normal activities outside of skating. That's why he's still trying. Pretty sure if there was a danger of him f***ing up his knee permanently, he would've given up already.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[RoyIsALegend]

 

[ABasin]

A lot of people have described the injury as such that it can't really get worse, and it doesn't affect normal activities outside of skating.

I'm not sure that's the case. Obviously, I'm not a doctor or anything, nor do I understand the specific nuances of Landeskog's exact injury. But I'll share a personal experience:

My gf had a condition that sounds an awful lot like how they are describing Landeskog's. She had massive cartilage deterioration behind her patella, was basically bone on bone, and often in considerable pain. Her surgeon told her that the condition absolutely could get worse, because in this case the bone on bone was the bottom of the femur (and all of the weight behind it) rubbing the inside of the patella. And this repeated motion - even with normal everyday life activities - would eventually wear down the patella bone, thin it out, until it wouldn't be structurally sound anymore, and then the whole patella would have to be replaced.

So, she got a partial knee replacement, and it solved the whole problem. What it entails is putting a titanium "cover" on the bottom of the femur, and putting a "polymer/plastic" lining on this inside of the patella, so they glide against one another, even during strenuous exercise. She now hikes, bikes, snowboards, weight trains, etc. without issue (though she stays out of the squat rack at the gym).

Now, that's very different than professional ice hockey, of course. If Landeskog were to be forced down this route, his career would almost certainly be over. But he could quite likely do normal athletic life activities, and do them without pain.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

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Almost reads as a precursor to a goodbye letter. He sounds like a guy that's gonna end up as a coach or a GM. Perhaps he will join the Avs coaching staff or upper management next year.

 

[LOFIN]

Almost reads as a precursor to a goodbye letter. He sounds like a guy that's gonna end up as a coach or a GM. Perhaps he will join the Avs coaching staff or upper management next year.

Pretty sure that would mean he has to retire, and he's not going to do that.

 

[The Moops]

Pretty sure that would mean he has to retire, and he's not going to do that.

Wasn't Pronger getting LTIR while employed by the league?

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Pretty sure that would mean he has to retire, and he's not going to do that.

Pretty sure Chris Pronger did something similar while on Robidas Island for several years. Garth Snow as well.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Pretty sure that would mean he has to retire, and he's not going to do that.

I thought I read somewhere that he can still have another job while on LTIR.

 

[dahrougem2]

Yeah, no, this guy is finished.

Never be able to skate pain free meanwhile Lonzo Ball has stated his knee is giving him zero issues whatsoever and his minutes have been increasing as the season has progressed for the Bulls.

There is no chance he returns if he still has pain almost two years after surgery was completed.

 

[Bonzai12]

I had to ask my trusty AI agent for the differences between LTIR and retirement. Sounds like Lando will not be retiring -

There are significant salary cap ramifications between retiring from the NHL and being placed on Long-Term Injured Reserve (LTIR):

1. Retirement:
   • If a player retires, their contract is removed from the team's salary cap calculations. However, if they signed a multi-year deal at age 35 or older, the cap hit remains due to the NHL's "over-35" rule 4 9.
   • Retired players do not receive further salary payments, which is why injured players rarely retire before their contract ends 9.
2. LTIR:
   • A player on LTIR continues to count against the team's cap but allows the team to exceed the cap by an amount equal to their salary minus existing cap space (the "LTIR Pool") 1 2.
   • Teams do not accrue cap space while using LTIR, and any unused LTIR relief cannot be carried forward 1 2.
   • Players on LTIR still receive their full salary 9.

In summary, retirement removes the contract from the cap (except for over-35 contracts), while LTIR provides temporary cap relief but keeps the player's contract on the books.

 

[dahrougem2]

I had to ask my trusty AI agent for the differences between LTIR and retirement. Sounds like Lando will not be retiring -

There are significant salary cap ramifications between retiring from the NHL and being placed on Long-Term Injured Reserve (LTIR):

1. Retirement:
   • If a player retires, their contract is removed from the team's salary cap calculations. However, if they signed a multi-year deal at age 35 or older, the cap hit remains due to the NHL's "over-35" rule 4 9.
   • Retired players do not receive further salary payments, which is why injured players rarely retire before their contract ends 9.
2. LTIR:
   • A player on LTIR continues to count against the team's cap but allows the team to exceed the cap by an amount equal to their salary minus existing cap space (the "LTIR Pool") 1 2.
   • Teams do not accrue cap space while using LTIR, and any unused LTIR relief cannot be carried forward 1 2.
   • Players on LTIR still receive their full salary 9.

In summary, retirement removes the contract from the cap (except for over-35 contracts), while LTIR provides temporary cap relief but keeps the player's contract on the books.

No player retires when LTIR is an option. They'd be throwing money away.

 

[Valushkin]

Is there a limit to how long a player can stay on LTIR?

 

[S E P H]

That was not encouraging if you're expecting him back. He's trying his best, but doesn't sound like it's going to happen, and he knows it. As he says in the article, even if he does return, he's not going to be pain free like he hoped. Sounds very Peter Forsberg-esque with his ankle issues.

He's obviously done this season, but I still think he will try to play at least one more NHL game and see how it goes before deciding to retire.

 

[LOFIN]

No player retires when LTIR is an option. They'd be throwing money away.

Luongo is the only one to do it, and he gave up like 3.5M to do it. But he was also immediately hired by the Panthers organization after that. And Luongo later stated, it was not his choice. He would've prefered LTIR, but the Panthers couldn't do it and no team was interested at that time. So Tallon basically said "retire, if you want this job".

Is there a limit to how long a player can stay on LTIR?

No. What do you mean by a limit? NHLPA would NEVER give up guaranteed contracts if that's what you are suggesting. They would rather cut the salary cap in half.

 

[S E P H]

What is this nonsense? A "chance?" Bro, bring him back when he's 100% heathly, not a chance he plays, that sounds like he's going to try and play through something. Nah, we need less of that.

 

[Valushkin]

Luongo is the only one to do it, and he gave up like 3.5M to do it. But he was also immediately hired by the Panthers organization after that. And Luongo later stated, it was not his choice. He would've prefered LTIR, but the Panthers couldn't do it and no team was interested at that time. So Tallon basically said "retire, if you want this job".


No. What do you mean by a limit? NHLPA would NEVER give up guaranteed contracts if that's what you are suggesting. They would rather cut the salary cap in half.

I just mean years. Let’s say an injury like Landy’s happens when the player has 6 or 7 years remaining on his contract, can he remain on LTIR that long? I know there have been players kept on LTIR for long time

Edit: this is probably a stupid question. Obviously if the player is not official retiring and is injured, then he will remain on LTIR, so never mind I asked

 

[LOFIN]

I just mean years. Let’s say an injury like Landy’s happens when the player has 6 or 7 years remaining on his contract, can he remain on LTIR that long? I know there have been players kept on LTIR for long time

Yes, because what's the alternative? You can't force an injured player to play. You can't terminate a contract based on injury.

 

[Valushkin]

Yes, because what's the alternative? You can't force an injured player to play. You can't terminate a contract based on injury.

Yeah I edited my post because I realized it was a stupid question so never mind LOL

 

[Bensch88]

Sounds more and more likely that Landy is done. I really hoped he'd make a comeback but that doesnt sound good at all

 

[chet1926]

Anyone who was really anticipating Landy to be back at this point was just setting themselves up for disappointment.

It should have been pretty obvious that he wasn't coming back this year when we weren't seeing much skating or getting any updates.

And really at this point he'll have missed 3 years. Don't know how there could be any expectation of him ever coming back. You can't miss 3 years and expect that you can still play at a level necessary to compete with best in the world. It's just not likely.

It sucks and I feel bad for him, it's not a lack of trying, but it's probably time to assume he's done. He was a great player for this franchise and led the team to a Cup. Never complained when we were shitty. I know I ragged him a lot but he proved me wrong, it sucks not having him out there.