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2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

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TheDizee said:
Kyrou + 2027 (or 2026) 1st + 2026 5th (PIT or NYI)

for

Tkachuk (resigned) + 2025 2nd + 2026 6th (COL) + Perron

We get rid of Kyrou and gain 2 heart and soul STL guys. This is what the team needs, HEART AND SOUL GUYS!

Yes we give up a 1st but that will not be a early pick (lottery protected). Ottawa gets Kyrou + a 1st to replenish the one they will give up for the improper Dadonov trade. Also dump Perron's cap space.

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Brady isn't even eligible to sign an extension until July 1 2027
 
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I think Noah Dobson would thrive in STL. He's super smart, has great instincts offensively. could QB our PP and be sheltered in defensive situations by Parayko.

I could really see a great fit here. And I don't think he's a liability defensively personally. He's certainly no parayko there though. But certainly passable in the top 4 and maybe Steen era and beyond he's improved in that regard and can be a top Pair petro type that we can stick a defensive D next to.
 
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TheDizee said:
Kyrou + 2027 (or 2026) 1st + 2026 5th (PIT or NYI)

for

Tkachuk (resigned) + 2025 2nd + 2026 6th (COL) + Perron

We get rid of Kyrou and gain 2 heart and soul STL guys. This is what the team needs, HEART AND SOUL GUYS!

Yes we give up a 1st but that will not be a early pick (lottery protected). Ottawa gets Kyrou + a 1st to replenish the one they will give up for the improper Dadonov trade. Also dump Perron's cap space.

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I think this team needs a Tkachuk too. Maybe in the offseason, pre-no trade claus for Kyrou, there is a deal to be made. If OTT values years of service remaing on current contracts, there's a chance Kyrou's value ends up attractive as a main piece back. Hopefully the add they ask for wouldnt be too unreasonable.
 
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Mike Liut said:
3 more at 6.5 isn’t that bad. He’s worth 6.5 this year. I think he’ll age ok, even if he’s a 3C in his final year.
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He is not going to get better. Only worse and worse. 6.5 is ridiculous for the production he gives. He's not even a great leader and for most of our 2019 run he was a passenger, not a driver. In fact, his playoff numbers in general are pretty lousy and hes a - player overall.

The Blues would be lucky to get anything involving a 1st round pick for him unless they eat a ton of that cap space.
 
TheDizee said:
He is not going to get better. Only worse and worse. 6.5 is ridiculous for the production he gives. He's not even a great leader and for most of our 2019 run he was a passenger, not a driver. In fact, his playoff numbers in general are pretty lousy and hes a - player overall.

The Blues would be lucky to get anything involving a 1st round pick for him unless they eat a ton of that cap space.
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I’d gladly take a 1st considering where we are in our rebuild. But I think he’ll age ok, especially on a cup contender
 
If we move Schenn i bet we get some off the radar player back in return as the main piece. I could see DA moving him in a hockey trade for a player thats like 28 or 29 with similar term and possibly a B or C tier prospect added. I think if u can add someone that helps the next 3-4 years, while the remainder of the kids grow it would be a great lateral move considering Schenn's age. Personally love Schenn and would hate to see him go, but this is his peak value for the remainder of his career, might be time to cash in.
 
TheDizee said:
He is not going to get better. Only worse and worse. 6.5 is ridiculous for the production he gives. He's not even a great leader and for most of our 2019 run he was a passenger, not a driver. In fact, his playoff numbers in general are pretty lousy and hes a - player overall.

The Blues would be lucky to get anything involving a 1st round pick for him unless they eat a ton of that cap space.
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I sure hope your account is satire. I don't think anyone could consistently be so wrong on purpose.
 
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TheDizee said:
He is not going to get better. Only worse and worse. 6.5 is ridiculous for the production he gives. He's not even a great leader and for most of our 2019 run he was a passenger, not a driver. In fact, his playoff numbers in general are pretty lousy and hes a - player overall.

The Blues would be lucky to get anything involving a 1st round pick for him unless they eat a ton of that cap space.
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The. Cap. Ceiling. Is. No. Longer. 70. Million.

Please, please, PLEASE, get with the times. 6.5M is only a slight overpayment for what Schenn currently provides at TODAY'S cap. The cap is projected to increase about 25M in the next 3 years. That is a larger increase than the last eleven years. So in the next 3 seasons, the cap will have gone up more than it has in the last 11 years. In the last year of his contract, 6.5M would be the equivalent of like a 4M dollar contract in 2014.

Is he overpaid? Yes. Is it a ridiculous overpayment? Absolutely not. With how much the cap is projected to increase, his contract is much easier to swallow going forward. His cap hit % will be about 5.7% in his final year, which with today's cap is like 5M. So just try to imagine that his cap hit goes from 6.5M this season to 6M next season, and then from 6M to 5.5M the following season, and then to 5M in the year after that.
 
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A dynamic that will be interesting:

Over time the “pandemic era” deals will expire while ufas press to new grounds.

Since we’re going from full stop to full speed with cap changes: Each year, the gap between what it costs to get something on the free agent market versus having somebody at the end of their pandemic era deal will grow. Teams will have extreme choices: on one side the older guys will be extremely cheap relative to the cap and the new deals will be really expensive. Maybe the last sort of ripple from the pandemic.
 
With how the cap is raising and know how greedy the Tkachuk family is Brady is going to be demanding 12 million a year. Especially since it's after all the major cap increases the next 3 years.
 
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Linkens Mastery said:
With how the cap is raising and know how greedy the Tkachuk family is Brady is going to be demanding 12 million a year. Especially since it's after all the major cap increases the next 3 years.
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Without a doubt. Even though his production won’t warrant $12 million, his style of play will entice many teams. You know, his intangibles!! 😁
 
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Spektre said:
I think I would say yes to that deal 😊😊
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Jacob Bernard-Docker is in a tier with Hunter Skinner for me. Fine AHL players, but longshots for the big show. Pinto isn’t going to push anyone for top-6 jobs, but he would be a nice piece to have. The picks are nice. I’d see if you could pry Stephen Halliday away instead of one of the picks.

Otherwise, this seems to be a reasonable deal. I’m not sure other teams have the ammo to do better.
 
HighNote said:
The. Cap. Ceiling. Is. No. Longer. 70. Million.

Please, please, PLEASE, get with the times. 6.5M is only a slight overpayment for what Schenn currently provides at TODAY'S cap. The cap is projected to increase about 25M in the next 3 years. That is a larger increase than the last eleven years. So in the next 3 seasons, the cap will have gone up more than it has in the last 11 years. In the last year of his contract, 6.5M would be the equivalent of like a 4M dollar contract in 2014.

Is he overpaid? Yes. Is it a ridiculous overpayment? Absolutely not. With how much the cap is projected to increase, his contract is much easier to swallow going forward. His cap hit % will be about 5.7% in his final year, which with today's cap is like 5M. So just try to imagine that his cap hit goes from 6.5M this season to 6M next season, and then from 6M to 5.5M the following season, and then to 5M in the year after that.
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You assume too much. We could be in a World War before the cap goes up. We could have another league shutdown for whatever reason. This is what contributed to Army last time in the Petro debacle, he assumed the cap was going up and played with fire and got burned.

Also, any cap increases will go to top end talent at a far greater speed. Nobody is budgeting for late 30s wingers who stink, Schenn's salary does not magically become 5 million LOL, thats idiotic. You can say its the new 5 million but thats not true because any teammates of his will be chewing up that cap when they sign, especially ones with paydays coming. That cap is going to be eaten up by upcoming stars.

Nobody is going to commit and send a 1st for a aging mid 30s forward who is slowing down and not producing at the salary rates he signed for unless the Blues eat a ton of the cap space.
 
Snubbed4Vezina said:
I guarantee if Schenn gets moved it's a 1st+ coming back.
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I’m coming around to realizing he holds more trade value than I had initially thought. That being true, there should be more urgency to trade him. He doesn’t synchronize with the next core. They can find a 2c/3c elsewhere who does. If the Blues can get a 1st and prospect for him, that should happen. The reports make it sound like Armstrong is seeking a prospect level piece who is more in line with guys like Brogerg and Holloway.
 
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Snubbed4Vezina said:
I guarantee if Schenn gets moved it's a 1st+ coming back.
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How much cap space will the Blues be eating then

Fowler makes the same salary and the Blues had to have the ducks eat 40% of his leftover cap.

Schenn has more term left than Fowler did and hes older too
 
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