2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[BleedBlue14]

I also don't really see why we would covet Frederic. I like the way he plays the game. But at some point we have got to start filling the net. I think we have a good base of guys who are high compete, culture builders more or less. What we don't have, and it's painfully more clear right now are shooters and playmakers aside from our 8 million dollar men.

I feel like you have to toe a fine line between being a pain in the ass to play against and having guys that can generate offense. And frankly I wouldn't say that any 3 of our generators are elite enough to carry a line on their own of those identity guys.

If the cost is low I can totally see the avenue to giving him a 1 year shot, especially with the injuries. But we are already up to our nose with 35-45 point players who play the game hard, i'm not sure adding another will push those guys to 45-55 point players.

 

[bleedblue1223]

If Frederic wants to come here as a UFA on a reasonable deal, I'd be fine with it. There will be spots open in the bottom 6 next season and current players in the bottom 6 that should be healthy scratches. I wouldn't give him anything crazy, but I'd be one of the teams reaching out.

 

[MissouriMook]

I don't see why a team that has too many 3rd liners and lacks enough top line talent and a true 1D would spend UFA money on another 3rd liner.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Because we need both. At a bare minimum, Faksa and Kap will need to be replaced, and we should look to upgrade guys like Sunny and Walker. If we can't acquire top end talent, we shouldn't just not pursue bottom 6 upgrades.

 

[joe galiba]

As much sense as it makes on paper, I don't see how we'd replace Parayko, and that 2 year turnaround turns more into a 5 year turnaround which is what they seem to be trying to avoid.

You're also putting a whole heck of a lot of stock in a College defenseman becoming a true #1. I really like the player, but those expectations are setting him up for failure.

I think best case scenario given some unforseen circumstance in which we draft top 3, we pick a guy like Hensler and internally develop a guy that's closer to a Willander, because the chances of developing a guy like Parayko is pretty slim. You just don't see high end skating big RH defenseman come around too often. I certainly don't see how we do it in a manner to have us contending prior to Thomas being 30+ and Buchy being in the twilight years of his career.

I think Parayko is like J-bo, the kind of player that doesn't have a big drop off with age, because of the skating and the size that is used for positioning rather than banging, so less wear and tear

 

[BrokenFace]

I think Parayko is like J-bo, the kind of player that doesn't have a big drop off with age, because of the skating and the size that is used for positioning rather than banging, so less wear and tear

In J-Bo's later years, he was exactly as good as he was healthy. Remember he was a whipping boy for a long while until he could finally play healthy for a couple of seasons. I think Parayko will be the same. He'll be great to have around unless he's playing through bad injuries, and there's no way to predict that.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Because we need both. At a bare minimum, Faksa and Kap will need to be replaced, and we should look to upgrade guys like Sunny and Walker. If we can't acquire top end talent, we shouldn't just not pursue bottom 6 upgrades.

We do need both. But one you can acquire pretty easily at any point of the year typically at a lower cost of either asset, draft capital or cap space. Frederic is probably going demand 3-4m AAV next offseason for 3 or 4 years assuming he turns his season around.

He’s not going to fix the issues we currently have, I just don’t see a large reason for it, unless it’s extremely cost effective. I have no doubt he’d fit in with our group. But we really need an elevator.

In J-Bo's later years, he was exactly as good as he was healthy. Remember he was a whipping boy for a long while until he could finally play healthy for a couple of seasons. I think Parayko will be the same. He'll be great to have around unless he's playing through bad injuries, and there's no way to predict that.

Agree, I think he’ll age perfectly fine when healthy and assuming we can dial down the extreme usage. His skating is surely going to go a bit, but there’s a lot there to work with. I’m sure he’ll be a whipping boy and follow along the long lineage of productive vets like Bouwmeester and Leddy.

 

[STLegend]

Looks like Dubas may shake it up in Pit but maybe not tear it down. Does Doug do something similar? Maybe send Saad home with a 5th round pick for Eller and a 3rd?

Stops the bleeding at center for us temporarily while recouping a 3rd. Penguins get a serviceable hometown player in Saad and they have 3 picks in the 3rd round.

 

[simon IC]

Looks like Dubas may shake it up in Pit but maybe not tear it down. Does Doug do something similar? Maybe send Saad home with a 5th round pick for Eller and a 3rd?

Stops the bleeding at center for us temporarily while recouping a 3rd. Penguins get a serviceable hometown player in Saad and they have 3 picks in the 3rd round.

Do we still have a 3rd?

 

[STLegend]

Do we still have a 3rd?

I'm saying we send the 5th. We have no 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

So Saad +5th for Eller +3rd

 

[Majorityof1]

I'm saying we send the 5th. We have no 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

So Saad +5th for Eller +3rd

I mean if there is no retention on Saad, maybe? Ellers is a year shorter and much cheaper. Pitt would probably want some retention.

Even w/o retention, we'd be left with a 3rd for a 5th after the season. I think I'd rather retain on Saad, not get one year of Ellers but instead get a higher pick or a pick and prospect for Saad at the TDL.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Eller would be a perfect fit for this lineup comprised mostly of third liners.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Looks like Dubas may shake it up in Pit but maybe not tear it down. Does Doug do something similar? Maybe send Saad home with a 5th round pick for Eller and a 3rd?

Stops the bleeding at center for us temporarily while recouping a 3rd. Penguins get a serviceable hometown player in Saad and they have 3 picks in the 3rd round.

If we're trading Saad I'd rather get futures, not another stop gap forward.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Eller would've been nice to have instead of Faksa, as he has a bit more offense so could take some top 6 minutes in an emergency like we are in. Still don't think it's worth the assets, we are better off falling down the standings while Thomas and Broberg are out.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Eller traded to Washington for a 5th (2025 via CHI) and a 3rd (2027)

 

[CaliforniaBlues310]

If the report is true that everyone but Sid are on the table, then there’s only 2 players I’d even want from them. Geno or Rust.

I doubt we’d pay the price on Malkin, and it’s very debatable on if we should…but despite his age, he’d be by far the best possible acquisition we could make for a short term top center.


In regards to Rust, I could see a swap of him and Saad with a slight add. Would like to see another RHS added to the top 9. We’re very LH heavy.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

If the report is true that everyone but Sid are on the table, then there’s only 2 players I’d even want from them. Geno or Rust.

I doubt we’d pay the price on Malkin, and it’s very debatable on if we should…but despite his age, he’d be by far the best possible acquisition we could make for a short term top center.


In regards to Rust, I could see a swap of him and Saad with a slight add. Would like to see another RHS added to the top 9. We’re very LH heavy.

I have no desire to trade one older player for another other player. If we trade players it should be for younger players, prospects, or picks.

 

[CaliforniaBlues310]

I have no desire to trade one older player for another other player. If we trade players it should be for younger players, prospects, or picks.

I don’t disagree. Just adding to the discussion about the Dubas report.

We’ve also been talking here at length about how we should improve the center position until Dvorsky is ready for a top 6 role.

I mentioned Rust solely because I’ve always liked his game, and he’d be a good fit for our playstyle. Also just realized after posting that he’s already 32 and has 3 more years after this one, so I’m out on that.

 

[BleedBlue14]

I have no desire to trade one older player for another other player. If we trade players it should be for younger players, prospects, or picks.

I think it should be an option if it's for positional need and the contract/production is similar or shorter contract.

What I don't have interest in is the Blues moving Saad or Schenn or Faulk for a guy with more term that fills a similar role.

 

[Ranksu]

I have no desire to trade one older player for another other player. If we trade players it should be for younger players, prospects, or picks.

Aamen

 

[Brian39]

I don't want the Blues to pay the cost it would take to get Malkin and I don't think there is any chance he waives his NMC to come to St. Louis.

But from an entertainment standpoint, I would love to see Malkin and Buch play on a line together. That duo would be an absolute nightmare to play against any time one of them got pissed off about something.

 

[Reality Czech]

I don’t disagree. Just adding to the discussion about the Dubas report.

We’ve also been talking here at length about how we should improve the center position until Dvorsky is ready for a top 6 role.

I mentioned Rust solely because I’ve always liked his game, and he’d be a good fit for our playstyle. Also just realized after posting that he’s already 32 and has 3 more years after this one, so I’m out on that.

Pretty sure the consensus is why spend assets on a center right now when it likely won't make a big enough difference short term? The chances of Kyrou winning a Selke are greater than Malkin ever wearing the Blue Note.

 

[CaliforniaBlues310]

Pretty sure the consensus is why spend assets on a center right now when it likely won't make a big enough difference short term? The chances of Kyrou winning a Selke are greater than Malkin ever wearing the Blue Note.

I also said in my first post about it that it’d be highly debatable if we should spend the assets on someone like him.


I don’t disagree that it won’t happen, but he IS the only player I’d want from that team.

 

[Mike Liut]

We’ll be lucky to get 3rds for Saad and Leddy. Nobody wants these old f***s

 

[joe galiba]

We’ll be lucky to get 3rds for Saad and Leddy. Nobody wants these old f***s

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