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shpongle falls

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Kess and Peru have been disappointing but PO Joseph has been a nice surprise for me so far this season, I like his game. Nice move by Army to snag him.

I was hoping for a redemption arc with Perunovich where he scores his first goal and goes on a run but boy, thats not looking likely lol. AHL depth/waiver fodder at this point.
 

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This is the only one I can find with the tink.

This is the angle and range of the shot, but my memory was that he made that shot off a pass almost immediately. Not a slapshot, but about as fast. But the angle and pipe down is right. This is how I remember it looking.

I’m still missing that reaction shot from the bench. I’m wondering if they showed it again in replay and added that, later in the coverage.

Thanks for digging up the clip!
 

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This is the angle and range of the shot, but my memory was that he made that shot off a pass almost immediately. Not a slapshot, but about as fast. But the angle and pipe down is right. This is how I remember it looking.

I’m still missing that reaction shot from the bench. I’m wondering if they showed it again in replay and added that, later in the coverage.

Thanks for digging up the clip!
I looked at all the Tarasenko goals as a Blue vs Ottawa and Calgary (there are surprisingly only like 20 or so) but that was the only one with the Tink I could find between the two clubs.
 
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Frenzy31

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Kess and Peru have been disappointing but PO Joseph has been a nice surprise for me so far this season, I like his game. Nice move by Army to snag him.

I was hoping for a redemption arc with Perunovich where he scores his first goal and goes on a run but boy, thats not looking likely lol. AHL depth/waiver fodder at this point.

I am hoping Kessell will find his game. Peru, I don't want to see him in a Blues uniform again. Just can't defend against much bigger and stronger players.
 

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Speaking of young defensemen, I’m also out on Matt Kessel. I know he has some fans on this board but he really offers nothing to the lineup. He’s been downright brutal to start this season as a giveaway machine. I feel that he doesn’t have much of an identity as a player either. He’s not an offensive guy nor a shutdown guy. His physicality isn’t consistent. His hockey IQ seems lacking to me - he seems to be prone to the same mistakes that I saw from him all the way back in development camp. He’s a 5th round pick so it’s not a big deal but I can almost guarantee he’s going to be just like Perunovich and Tucker, that we thought he might take that next step but instead he’s not even going to be on the team next year.
I've been as high on Kessel as anyone, but agree with you that he has not been good so far this season.

Think you're giving up too early on him tho. He's only played 47 NHL games and there is still plenty of time for him to develop. It wasn't just fan/media hype, he was legit good last year IMO. He may never be more than a bottom pairing guy, but he can (and I think will) be a lot better than he's shown so far this year.
 

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I wonder who gets the call up for Thursday if Kapanen is out? They only have 12 forwards right now.
Probably nobody, they only need 12 forwards for that game. I’d guess they’ll just get home and evaluate how long Kapanen/Joseph will be out and then figure out what they need to do from there.
 

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I looked at all the Tarasenko goals as a Blue vs Ottawa and Calgary (there are surprisingly only like 20 or so) but that was the only one with the Tink I could find between the two clubs.
Seems like I’m conflating 2 goals in my memory. Pretty sure that last video is the instance I’m remembering. It was like he was the only one moving for that split second and then the puck was in the net.
 
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PocketNines

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I've been as high on Kessel as anyone, but agree with you that he has not been good so far this season.

Think you're giving up too early on him tho. He's only played 47 NHL games and there is still plenty of time for him to develop. It wasn't just fan/media hype, he was legit good last year IMO. He may never be more than a bottom pairing guy, but he can (and I think will) be a lot better than he's shown so far this year.
He was legitimately good last year. He has not started well and the most obvious instinct is that there's nothing settled on the bottom of the Blues D and he isn't getting comfortable. In order for him to be effective his IQ has to be engaged and he has to outthink his opponents to give his body a chance to get to the spots first. I don't see confidence in him the same way he had it last year
 

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He was legitimately good last year. He has not started well and the most obvious instinct is that there's nothing settled on the bottom of the Blues D and he isn't getting comfortable. In order for him to be effective his IQ has to be engaged and he has to outthink his opponents to give his body a chance to get to the spots first. I don't see confidence in him the same way he had it last year
I think being in and out of the lineup has been a negative for he and Joseph. Guys need some amount of leash to play through things. Honestly, I think we have too much depth on D.
 
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taylord22

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Oscar Sundqvist, love that guy. But he is not able to skate fast enough to be in the NHL, it is over.
He's always made up for his skating with his +stick and good positioning, but I agree...it was a noticeable lag, last year. It's an even bigger one, this year.

Tough going when he gets burned and Faksa is the other skater attempting to make up ground.

He's a guy I think they would love to have in player development if that's a route he chooses to take.
 

Brian39

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I think being in and out of the lineup has been a negative for he and Joseph. Guys need some amount of leash to play through things. Honestly, I think we have too much depth on D.
This was Joseph's 6th straight game in the lineup. He was the 4th LD on the healthy roster and only played 1 of the first 4 games. But he's played every night since Leddy was placed on IR.

Kessel played 6 of our first 7 games (scratched in Vegas in game #3) and then got healthy scratched a couple games in a row before being re-inserted back into the lineup last night.

I don't buy that the issue is too short of a leash. Joseph is currently getting plenty of leash and Kessel got a perfectly fine amount of leash to start the year.
 

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Well, we're 10 games into the season, and I think we can draw some early conclusions. All stats I talk about are from Naturalstattrick - filtered for miniumum 35 minutes at 5v5.

1. Most of our new players are having a positive effect. Army spent assets and money fairly wisely this off-season. Broberg, Holloway, Suter, Faksa, and the forward Joseph have all had varying degrees of success. Texier and the defensman Joseph, less so.

2. We are still in desperate need of play drivers/talent. The only players on our team with an xGF% over 50% are Thomas (62.07) Holloway (53.41) and M. Joseph (The forward - at 51.77). Everyone else is under 50%. As a team the Blues are once again near the bottom in all advanced metrics - xGF% we rank 25th at 47.00, SCF% we rank 25th at 46.78, and HDSCF% we rank 23rd at 46.74. This is the second or third straight year where we are rarely carrying play.

3. We also lack finishing talent, something that helped counter our poor underlying metrics in prior years. However, so far through 10 games our High-Danger shooting % ranks 24th at 14.75% and our overall shooting % is 20th, at 8.23.

4. Special teams are brutal. We rank 21st on the PP with multiple SH goals against/goals that happend within 20 seconds of the penalty ending, and we have a bottom 5 PK.

To sum it all up - we don't carry play at 5v5, we don't have enough finishing talent to offset the issue, and our special teams are an anchor, not a bouy.

Most of the things that went extremely right for us last year have (naturally) regressed. Last year we were incredibly healthy (Nope), had possibly the 2nd or 3rd best tandem goaltending in the league (We're must closer to league average at this point), and our OT record was incredible (That part has carried over, at least so far).

Other random notes:

1. The Buch center experience is a failure. I love Buch, but he has no business as a Center. His hockey card stats look reasonable, but he's also on a massive PDO bender, and his faceoff win % is simply atrocious.

2. Schenn continues to regress defensively. He has the highest xGA/60 of anyone on the team not named Texier (Who is WOOF defensively), without extreme defensive usage. For comparison, M. Joseph has slighly more defensive usage then Schenn, yet has a .75 better xGA/60 rate.

3. Kyrou has two goals, that he scored in the same game. We need more goals out of him on a more consistent basis.

Unless some drastic changes occur, it's going to be a long season fellas.
 

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If we really struggle this year and looks like a lost season, who are our trade chips at the TDL and what are the asks?
 

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If we really struggle this year and looks like a lost season, who are our trade chips at the TDL and what are the asks?

No big moves.
Saad- 2nd and B level prospect would be the ask
Leddy- 2nd and B level prospect would be the ask
Suter- Ask for a 2nd, expect a 3rd
Faksa- ask for a 2nd, expect a 3rd
KK/Perunovich- throw aways to open spots for some of the kids
 

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