2024-2025 Blues Multi-Purpose Thread.

[PocketNines]

The Brobergence is the best thing to happen to this franchise since 9/27/20. This player looks night and day ahead of what he showed Edmonton fans. Doug Armstrong deserves this credit.

[I am slightly worried that this unusual stroke of luck and timing will generate all sorts of bad proposals in the near and medium term about how to reclaim everyone's fading prospects, but we will just have to cross that bridge as it arrives]

 

[Itsnotatrap]

We're tied with the Avs in Points and Points Percentage. Didn't expect that in the first week of December.

Nor did I, and I certainly didn’t expect Nashville to continue to be a flop to this degree. I thought they were likely to thread a needle with their objectively old but talented immediate roster with some interest prospects to bridge to. But, they find themselves in a very tough position now, suddenly.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Nor did I, and I certainly didn’t expect Nashville to continue to be a flop to this degree. I thought they were likely to thread a needle with their objectively old but talented immediate roster with some interest prospects to bridge to. But, they find themselves in a very tough position now, suddenly.

Trotz has been running the Preds like he's playing NHL 25. Losing both Fabbro and Tolvanen to waivers were two that were insane to me.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Trotz has been running the Preds like he's playing NHL 25. Losing both Fabbro and Tolvanen to waivers were two that were insane to me.

I'm expecting Brunette to get fired and Trotz to plant himself behind the bench to finish the season. Too many big signings not to at least try and see if it can be turned around himself rather than blowing the whole thing up.

 

[TheOrganist]

The Brobergence is the best thing to happen to this franchise since 9/27/20. This player looks night and day ahead of what he showed Edmonton fans. Doug Armstrong deserves this credit.

[I am slightly worried that this unusual stroke of luck and timing will generate all sorts of bad proposals in the near and medium term about how to reclaim everyone's fading prospects, but we will just have to cross that bridge as it arrives]

P9's praising Kyrou and Armstrong on consecutive days? Hell hath frozen is over. Optimism is in the air folks.

 

[PocketNines]

P9's praising Kyrou and Armstrong on consecutive days? Hell hath frozen is over. Optimism is in the air folks.

I have accurately described Kyrou throughout his career. Others have declared this invalid on meta reasons, that if he is criticized, he is a whipping boy, and whipping boys are a product of the observer's bad faith. I have never once accepted or buckled to this.

I wouldn't say I'm praising Kyrou either. I don't like him. His era has been dismal to experience. But the reality is he is here. What am I supposed to do, not describe him accurately as if I am a prisoner of past observations? That's other people, not me.

 

[TheOrganist]

I have accurately described Kyrou throughout his career. Others have declared this invalid on meta reasons, that if he is criticized, he is a whipping boy, and whipping boys are a product of the observer's bad faith. I have never once accepted or buckled to this.

I wouldn't say I'm praising Kyrou either. I don't like him. His era has been dismal to experience. But the reality is he is here. What am I supposed to do, not describe him accurately as if I am a prisoner of past observations? That's other people, not me.

For the record, I've been with you on both accounts...but Armstrong did have quite an offseason and Kyrou is playing the best he ever has as a Blue. Agree that it doesn't absolve past transgressions nor do I ignore the reason we are where we are today. But this is the first time I've felt a genuine hope for the future in a while. I like our coach. Broberg could be an incredible steal. And we have some legit prospects that are getting close.

 

[PocketNines]

For the record, I've been with you on both accounts...but Armstrong did have quite an offseason and Kyrou is playing the best he ever has as a Blue. Agree that it doesn't absolve past transgressions nor do I ignore the reason we are where we are today. But this is the first time I've felt a genuine hope for the future in a while. I like our coach. Broberg could be an incredible steal. And we have some legit prospects that are getting close.

I think it's a personality thing where some people feel like it's wrong to criticize if there is also praise, as if that is too volatile to handle. Too reactionary, too schizophrenic, whatever. Some people have very low tolerances for the boat being rocked. Like the equilibrium is off if there is criticism, like it's somehow about finding criticism itself.

I was reading an ESPN feature on Derrick Henry the other day, I don't even watch football any more, but the observation was made about great athletes one thing they all have in common is willingness to kick their own ass. It is simply impossible to be truly great without deep self-critique IMO. So for some people criticism isn't a signal of bad faith, it's a sign of deep attention.

There is one rule in all life, and it's that energy follows attention.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

If Broberg can keep up his play so far this season and he's goes into this offseason asking for an 8Y 7.5M extension. Do you say yes? I think i would

 

[Bluesnatic27]

If he keeps this play up then the Blues found a #1 defenseman and that contract would be an absolute steal.

So yeah, I’d sign it if he’s playing close to this level into mid February.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

If he keeps this play up then the Blues found a #1 defenseman and that contract would be an absolute steal.

So yeah, I’d sign it if he’s playing close to this level into mid February.

I think i would go as high as 8.5 myself.

 

[Bluesnatic27]

I think i would go as high as 8.5 myself.

I’m right there with you if he continues this play.

A potential #1 defenseman is about the most valuable asset a team can have minus a #1 centerman. Totally worth opening the checkbook if Broberg can be that player.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I would be somewhat curious if Broberg would give a slightly more favorable deal since he got such a sweet offer-sheet or if the view is, you paid that to get me, I still want market rate.

I'm fine with either, and I think it's a situation where both sides are very motivated to get it done. Broberg went from a bizarre development in Edmonton to an absolute perfect situation here.

 

[CaliforniaBlues310]

If Broberg doesn’t miss any more time this season, he would be on pace for 56 points in 70 games. If he keeps that up, you definitely give him an 8 year extension for good money. Would be awesome to have it in the $7.5-8.5 mil range.

 

[BlueMed]

You could certainly look at the small sample size, but his excellence isn't really stemming from individual plays but rather his overall skillset he brings on a shift-to-shift basis. Those conservatively describing him as a 2D/3D need to ask themselves how many of those defensemen around the league are putting up 0.8 points per game while playing impressive defense in their own zone.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

If Broberg doesn’t miss any more time this season, he would be on pace for 56 points in 70 games. If he keeps that up, you definitely give him an 8 year extension for good money. Would be awesome to have it in the $7.5-8.5 mil range.

I want him to win a Norris now just to haunt Edmonton. It would be a nice symmetry to the Pronger trade.

 

[bleedblue1223]

You could certainly look at the small sample size, but his excellence isn't really stemming from individual plays but rather his overall skillset he brings on a shift-to-shift basis. Those conservatively describing him as a 2D/3D need to ask themselves how many of those defensemen around the league are putting up 0.8 points per game while playing impressive defense in their own zone.

How many have an on-ice sv% over 95%? That's the primary driver of small sample size. Once that drops to a number that you would expect, will his defense still be viewed as impressive, that's the question.

 

[BlueMed]

How many have an on-ice sv% over 95%? That's the primary driver of small sample size. Once that drops to a number that you would expect, will his defense still be viewed as impressive, that's the question.

The defensemen have a lot to do with save percentages, so they aren't mutually exclusive. Also, is it not possible to put away the "advanced metrics" and watch the game for what it is? Seeing Broberg close gaps on opposing forwards, win puck battles in the corner, effortlessly skate the puck out of trouble, and zip tape-to-tape stretch passes to the forwards in the neutral zone is impressive, and I don't need statistics to support that.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

The defensemen have a lot to do with save percentages, so they aren't mutually exclusive. Also, is it not possible to put away the "advanced metrics" and watch the game for what it is? Seeing Broberg close gaps on opposing forwards, win puck battles in the corner, effortlessly skate the puck out of trouble, and zip tape-to-tape stretch passes to the forwards in the neutral zone is impressive, and I don't need statistics to support that.

Thank you!! My eyes and ability to discern are my authority.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

The Brobergence is the best thing to happen to this franchise since 9/27/20. This player looks night and day ahead of what he showed Edmonton fans. Doug Armstrong deserves this credit.

[I am slightly worried that this unusual stroke of luck and timing will generate all sorts of bad proposals in the near and medium term about how to reclaim everyone's fading prospects, but we will just have to cross that bridge as it arrives]

You don’t need any reasons to call out individuals. It’s what you do. Carry on.

 

[bleedblue1223]

The defensemen have a lot to do with save percentages, so they aren't mutually exclusive. Also, is it not possible to put away the "advanced metrics" and watch the game for what it is? Seeing Broberg close gaps on opposing forwards, win puck battles in the corner, effortlessly skate the puck out of trouble, and zip tape-to-tape stretch passes to the forwards in the neutral zone is impressive, and I don't need statistics to support that.

Two things can be true at the same time, Broberg has been very good, and he's also benefitting from unsustainable goaltending. It's no different from an elite sniper shooting 25%+, they can still be an elite scorer, while also having their numbers come back to earth once their unsustainable shooting % settles.

Pietrangelo had an on-ice sv% of 90.4 here, with a single-season peak of 93%. Parayko's average has been 90.7, with a single-season peak of 93.2. Bouwmeester average 91.8, with a 14 game peak of 93.8, and a full-season peak of 92.4.

Broberg's sv% will come down, lets see where it lands when it does.

 

[BlueMed]

Two things can be true at the same time, Broberg has been very good, and he's also benefitting from unsustainable goaltending. It's no different from an elite sniper shooting 25%+, they can still be an elite scorer, while also having their numbers come back to earth once their unsustainable shooting % settles.

So you're basically saying that you can't judge players positively simply by watching them play? The quantitative aspect of the sport is there to support what you're seeing qualitatively and not the other way around.

 

[bleedblue1223]

So you're basically saying that you can't judge players positively simply by watching them play? The quantitative aspect of the sport is there to support what you're seeing qualitatively and not the other way around.

I literally said he's been very good. Earlier today I also said it's very easy to see how he has #1 upside.

But, sure go on pretending that I'm saying we can judge players positively by watching them play...

I'm not even an advanced stat junkie, I'm always talking about how the models as a whole suck at evaluating defensemen that play minutes like Parayko. We are talking about something very basic though, Broberg has unsustainable goaltending behind him.

 

[PocketNines]

For the record, I've been with you on both accounts...but Armstrong did have quite an offseason and Kyrou is playing the best he ever has as a Blue. Agree that it doesn't absolve past transgressions nor do I ignore the reason we are where we are today. But this is the first time I've felt a genuine hope for the future in a while. I like our coach. Broberg could be an incredible steal. And we have some legit prospects that are getting close.

You'll notice I'll get attacked as a person by people who hate that I don't start it with them. The control I have over them is unreal. The withdrawal drives some men bonkers. They're out there obsessed while I ignore them until they break. Like I think legitimately it's harmed some folks' mental health and that's a comfort.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

You'll notice I'll get attacked as a person by people who hate that I don't start it with them. The control I have over them is unreal. The withdrawal drives some men bonkers. They're out there obsessed while I ignore them until they break. Like I think legitimately it's harmed some folks' mental health and that's a comfort.

You’re a real piece of work. Just wow!

You apparently don’t ignore anyone with all of your backhanded nonsense by not quoting individuals and not directly responding to them. It’s weird, brah! Very entertaining, but weird.

It’s weak and dishonest.

Carry on.