HF Habs: 2023 World U18 Men's Hockey Championship: Finals Sunday, April 30 | Canada wins Bronze, 4-3 (OT) | USA wins Gold, 3-2 (OT), Sweden Silver

SlafySZN

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Ok fine, one more tank year for Eiserman or Celebrini. Then I'm done with tanking, I swear. :sarcasm:

If we don't get Bedard and make big gains instantly we'll likely still be in with a shot at these guys in the lotto. Even if we make a big improvement to .500 hockey that's still usually bottom 10 calibre.
Wait until you see James Hagens for 2025, also! :laugh:
 

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Any reason why Perreault is ranked so lowly relative to his accomplishments in the NTDP?

Is his skating not looking up to par or is it a size issue?

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WeThreeKings

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Any reason why Perreault is ranked so lowly relative to his accomplishments in the NTDP?

Is his skating not looking up to par or is it a size issue?

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Skating isn't great, he's not the biggest.. and he's really the 3rd wheel on that line even if somehow he has more points than them.

There's definable qualities of his linemates.. Smith's high end IQ, his anticipation, playmaking, and hands with a proficient ability to steal pucks make him the architect of most of what happens when the 3 are on the ice.

Leonard is a bulldog, he's the guy digging the pucks out, going to the net, being physical, but he has a fair amount of skill as well, a heavy shot, good hands, and a playmaking game.

Perreault isn't doing the grunt work that Leonard is doing.. he isn't the architect of the whole thing like Smith. He's got good talent and he's able to play off of those guys and keep things moving, and there's definitely a career in that.. but he's got more to overcome and he's a complement rather than the driver.

That's why I said above it's strange how much of an aberration his point totals are where he's clearly the least effective player on the line but has the most points of the 3.
 

SlafySZN

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Skating isn't great, he's not the biggest.. and he's really the 3rd wheel on that line even if somehow he has more points than them.

There's definable qualities of his linemates.. Smith's high end IQ, his anticipation, playmaking, and hands with a proficient ability to steal pucks make him the architect of most of what happens when the 3 are on the ice.

Leonard is a bulldog, he's the guy digging the pucks out, going to the net, being physical, but he has a fair amount of skill as well, a heavy shot, good hands, and a playmaking game.

Perreault isn't doing the grunt work that Leonard is doing.. he isn't the architect of the whole thing like Smith. He's got good talent and he's able to play off of those guys and keep things moving, and there's definitely a career in that.. but he's got more to overcome and he's a complement rather than the driver.

That's why I said above it's strange how much of an aberration his point totals are where he's clearly the least effective player on the line but has the most points of the 3.
Brian Wilde is going off at everyone who doesn’t agree with him on this lol

 

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Skating isn't great, he's not the biggest.. and he's really the 3rd wheel on that line even if somehow he has more points than them.

There's definable qualities of his linemates.. Smith's high end IQ, his anticipation, playmaking, and hands with a proficient ability to steal pucks make him the architect of most of what happens when the 3 are on the ice.

Leonard is a bulldog, he's the guy digging the pucks out, going to the net, being physical, but he has a fair amount of skill as well, a heavy shot, good hands, and a playmaking game.

Perreault isn't doing the grunt work that Leonard is doing.. he isn't the architect of the whole thing like Smith. He's got good talent and he's able to play off of those guys and keep things moving, and there's definitely a career in that.. but he's got more to overcome and he's a complement rather than the driver.

That's why I said above it's strange how much of an aberration his point totals are where he's clearly the least effective player on the line but has the most points of the 3.

Yeah I would agree with all that... he does have a pretty insane knack for finding open space and he doesn't waste much time with the puck on his stick. I think all 3 will be very good...
 
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DramaticGloveSave

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A great example of why stats can be overrated is this tourney. TEAM USA has 19 goals so far- after lighting up Latvia and Norway. Next they have an unusually weak Finnish squad before playing Switzerland. They could well have 30+ goals after the round robin.

Meanwhile Slovakia has played Czech, Sweden and have Canada tomorrow.
 

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Only 2 games today.

U.S.A beat Norway 12-1.

Eiserman (2024) had 4 goals
Perreault 3g, 2a
Smith 1g 3a
Leonard 1g 2a

Czechs beat Germany 7-1

Sale had 2 g
Dvorak (D) 1g, 2a

Those were the only 2 games played today.



On day 4:

Canada vs Slovakia, 7am EDT - TSN5 / NHLN

Switzerland vs Latvia, 9 am EDT - no TV

Sweden vs Czech Republic, 11 am EDT - TSN5

USA vs Finland, 1 PM EDT - NHLN

It should be noted that Canada was trashed thoroughly by Sweden, while Slovakia had a far more competitive game losing 5-3. Should be an interesting match.
 

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Yeah...Will Smith will go ahead of Michkov. So it will probably come down to Benson vs Michkov for us. I have no problems going with Michkov...obviously...but they better make sure that the kid has any kind of interest in coming. 'Cause picking him while having absolutely no guarantees at all...is too big of a stretch for me at 5.
There will never be any guarantees. There are bigger things than hockey at play that no hockey person can control. Nobody knows how long this will go on for or if things go even more off the rails.
 
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26Mats

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Perreault should be in the conversation for the Florida pick, no doubt. There will be ton of great options, if we keep the pick of course.

And if we don't keep the pick, Hughes will use it to get s great asset.

It was a great asset to acquire.
 

Skip Bayless

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His game is very projectable also. Ok he dangles a little too much sometimes like any other skilled kid his age. But how he’s not scared to take the middle, make a play and position himself near the net is awesome to see.
We need that so badly.
 
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His game is very projectable also. Ok he dangles a little too much sometimes like any other skilled kid his age. But how he’s not scared to take the middle, make a play and position himself near the net is awesome to see.
Ya that’s what has me believing in Smith. His puck skills and creativity are obvious, but he’s not just a perimeter player- he’s got decent size and is willing to go into the high traffic areas. To me that is hugely important.
 

26Mats

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Yeah...Will Smith will go ahead of Michkov. So it will probably come down to Benson vs Michkov for us. I have no problems going with Michkov...obviously...but they better make sure that the kid has any kind of interest in coming. 'Cause picking him while having absolutely no guarantees at all...is too big of a stretch for me at 5.

And speaking of what will probably happen, we probably won't be picking 5th overall, only a 25% chance of that happening.

At any rate, we'll see after the lottery (in two weeks plus less than 48 hours) where we'll be slated to pick. And if it's not 5th, we can do a thread like this for whatever slot we land in.
 

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Canada gets off to a quick 1-0 lead. Barlow. Price wheels around the Slovakia net, and passes it out front.

Dej runs into Price's backend and gets flattened.

Heidt made it to Switzerland and is playing.
Samuel Urban is not in net for Slovakia. He was huge against Sweden. Fursten is in net.

Bjarnason again for Canada.
 

MarkovsKnee

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Canada is playing really strong forechecking game. They're getting in fast & being physical.

Martone gets a hooking penalty, so Slovakia with first PP.
 
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