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Blue Jays GDT: 2023 v8 | Tue, Aug 8 | @ CLE | 7:00pm ET/4:00pm PT | Kikuchi vs Bibee

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I think hitting with RISP is overrated sometimes. 0-7 again tonight, but 5 homers helps, plus the RBI doubles by Vladdy and George don't count as hitting with RISP because the runners were at first each time. Speedy guys on the bases certainly helps. And also power, it's been missing lately. The power was back for 1 night at least.
 
Suntouchable13 said:
I think hitting with RISP is overrated sometimes. 0-7 again tonight, but 5 homers helps, plus the RBI doubles by Vladdy and George don't count as hitting with RISP because the runners were at first each time. Speedy guys on the bases certainly helps. And also power, it's been missing lately. The power was back for 1 night at least.
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It’s really not that overrated.
 
Kurtz said:
It comes down to two main things imo:

1. Management is perfectly average. That'd be good enough in the Central, but unfortunately not in the East.

2. They got rid of AA who is one of the best GMS in the game. They haven't caught enough flak for that, imo.
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AA walked away. They didn’t “get rid of him”. They offered him a three year deal
 
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It was nice to see the home runs but this team still went 0 for 7 with RISP. They have a ways to go still but the win was needed.
 
Very Good win.

Maybe tonight was the turning point.

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AA walked away. They didn’t “get rid of him”. They offered him a three year deal
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They actually offered him a 4 year deal just under $8M (had a 5th year option worth a total of $10M) with an opt out after year 1 if he felt the job was different than what he had from 2010 to 2015.

He originally accepted that deal but then declined the next day after he thought about it longer. To me, he left because he wasn’t happy how Paul Beeston was treated. Beeston was his mentor and gave him his shot when it was likely no one would have so he was loyal to Paul. When Paul got the boot and they named another president, I believe he knew he had 1 foot out the door.

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Anthopoulos leaves Jays after rejecting extension - TSN.ca

Alex Anthopoulos is leaving the Toronto Blue Jays after turning down a four-year contract extension, which included a mutual option for a fifth season and would have significantly increased his salary.
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The Toronto Blue Jays offered general manager Alex Anthopoulos a four-year contract extension with a mutual option for a fifth year at a total of $8 million within the past week, according to a team source.

The contract would have significantly increased Anthopoulos’s salary, the source said.
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Rogers: Anthopoulos’s job would have been the same under Shapiro​


TORONTO – The chairman of the Toronto Blue Jays says the changeover from Paul Beeston to Mark Shapiro would not have impacted Alex Anthopoulos’s role as general manager. And that Anthopoulos was offered an opt-out clause after the first year of a five-year contract offer to ease concerns about the change.

Edward Rogers also said during an interview Friday that he and Rick Brace, president of Media Business Unit at team owner Rogers Communications Inc., did all they could to try and retain Anthopoulos, who turned down the extension offer and opted to part ways with the club Thursday.



“We really wanted Alex to lead the Jays into the future and tried very hard to do that, and we were sincere in our efforts and we couldn’t come to something that was of his satisfaction,” said Rogers, who also serves as deputy chairman at Rogers Communications Inc. “First and foremost, we worked extremely hard to make that happen. The second thing, just reading a lot of the press, there was a notion that in his renewal offer, somehow his job had changed. His job had not changed at all. His direct manager will change, but his breadth of scope and responsibility had not changed. We had full confidence in him.”
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Shi Davidi had a great article that indicated AA originally agreed to come back but then reneged the next day. I’m trying to find it.
 
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They actually offered him a 4 year deal just under $8M (had a 5th year option worth a total of $10M) with an opt out after year 1 if he felt the job was different than what he had from 2010 to 2015.

He originally accepted that deal but then declined the next day after he thought about it longer. To me, he left because he wasn’t happy how Paul Beeston was treated. Beeston was his mentor and gave him his shot when it was likely no one would have so he was loyal to Paul. When Paul got the boot and they named another president, I believe he knew he had 1 foot out the door.

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Anthopoulos leaves Jays after rejecting extension - TSN.ca

Alex Anthopoulos is leaving the Toronto Blue Jays after turning down a four-year contract extension, which included a mutual option for a fifth season and would have significantly increased his salary.
www.tsn.ca www.tsn.ca



Rogers: Anthopoulos’s job would have been the same under Shapiro​




Shi Davidi had a great article that indicated AA originally agreed to come back but then reneged the next day. I’m trying to find it.
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I know there was more to it but my response was still correct. He was never removed from his position
 
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That’s the brand of baseball we want to see from the Jays. Nice to see Davis “Stupid Sexy Flanders” Schneider with a nice debut. Almost as impressive as the homer in his first ever at bat, was the hustle single he got later on. That kind of hustle is contagious. Also nice to see Manoah with a solid outing, I honestly thought he’d struggle today after killing Taylor Ward.

Let’s keep it rolling tomorrow
 
First time in ages the ball was jumping off the Jays bats rather than "splitting away". Even when Vlad grounded into that double play, the ball went where you expected the ball to go when hit like that. Way too many times this year the Jays would barrel a ball and it would just die.

I wonder what changed? The way the Red Sox take care of their balls? The Jays finally realize batted ball stats are meaningless if you have poor bat control? Or does "swinging angrily" just make it easier to get out of your head and just focus on hitting the ball as hard as you can?
 
kb said:
I liked this post and agree to a large extent, but the Jays have to be very mindful of having no options other than rookies. The sad reality is that contenders really cannot have rookies as their options at a position as important as the hot corner.
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Didn't the Astros win the WS with a rookie playing SS last season? I think the reality is that good organizations actually do have rookies slide in and make contributions to winning teams. It is essentially how the perennially great teams stay great while letting a bunch of players walk in free agency.
 
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Didn't the Astros win the WS with a rookie playing SS last season? I think the reality is that good organizations actually do have rookies slide in and make contributions to winning teams. It is essentially how the perennially great teams stay great while letting a bunch of players walk in free agency.
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Which works just fine if you have a Bregman at 3rd, Altuve at 2nd, and an Aledmys Diaz as a fallback at SS. He was properly supported in case his bat took a nosedive.

All I am saying is that contending team cannot afford to have an untested rookie as their primary option at 3B with no safety net. The Astros really didn't need Pena's bat (but it was a pleasant surprise). The Jays will need solid production from the 3B position.

I stand by that assessment, and I am somewhat confused as to why this might be in any way controversial.
 
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kb said:
Which works just fine if you have a Bregman at 3rd, Altuve at 2nd, and an Aledmys Diaz as a fallback at SS. He was properly supported in case his bat took a nosedive.

All I am saying is that contending team cannot afford to have an untested rookie as their primary option at 3B with no safety net. The Astros really didn't need Pena's bat (but it was a pleasant surprise). The Jays will need solid production from the 3B position.

I stand by that assessment, and I am somewhat confused as to why this might be in any way controversial.
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They need production at 3B. I am not disagreeing with that. I am disagreeing with your statement that "contenders can't have rookies as options at positions as important as the hot corner". Which honestly just straight up isn't true. If we are going to be a contending team long term we will have to rely on internal pieces actually contributing to the major league team. You can't just build an entire team on in prime players getting paid accordingly especially with Bo's pay day coming soon. Just isn't sustainable.
 
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TheBeastCoast said:
They need production at 3B. I am not disagreeing with that. I am disagreeing with your statement that "contenders can't have rookies as options at positions as important as the hot corner". Which honestly just straight up isn't true. If we are going to be a contending team long term we will have to rely on internal pieces actually contributing to the major league team. You can't just build an entire team on in prime players getting paid accordingly especially with Bo's pay day coming soon. Just isn't sustainable.
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Yeah, lots of contending teams have regulars with half a season or less of experience. The 2015 Jays had a rookie at 2B (with Ryan Goins as the fall-back option), one in CF (with another rookie as the backup plan), one in the rotation, and one as the closer (with yet another the setup man/backup plan).
 
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Discoverer said:
Yeah, lots of contending teams have regulars with half a season or less of experience. The 2015 Jays had a rookie at 2B (with Ryan Goins as the fall-back option), one in CF (with another rookie as the backup plan), one in the rotation, and one as the closer (with yet another the setup man/backup plan).
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Which may have cost them that season, as they fell short.

Again, the Jays as it stands for now would have an infield next season of Jr, Biggio/Espinal, Bichette, and a rookie.

The Jays would be counting on the rookie 3B to overcome the black hole in production that is at 2B. Houston worked because they had Altuve, Gurriel, and Bregman for production, and Diaz for backup.

They Jays didn't win in 2015, so I'm also not sure as to why that is held up as a success.
 
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