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Blue Jays GDT: 2023 v2 | Sun, Apr 16 | vs TB | 1:30pm ET/10:30am PT | McClanahan vs Manoah

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Oh Varsho, you gotta take that pitch with a guy struggling to throw strikes. Gave him confidence and now it's 2-2 instead of 3-1. f***.

Bad AB after a couple good ones.
 
The Nemesis said:
The fact that Austin Meadows just went on the DL with anxiety makes me wonder if they can have Berrios sit down with a sports psychologist and see if there's a way to DL him for a while so he can go on rehab and work through things. because honestly this has to be between the ears with him. His velo isn't down appreciably. His control hasn't deserted him. His pitch mix hasn't changed massively before the limited sample size swinginess of this year. Fangraphs doesn't have PitchFX data available anymore (or has it paywalled behind their membership feature) so I can't see pitch movement data to see if his fastball has flattened out or anything (Brooks Baseball also doesn't seem to have easy front-end access to pitcher data. Berrios' player card is only for his times hitting in interleague play) nor can I find info on his heat map to see if he's just suddenly grooving it up over the plate with regularity.

This has to be some sort of weird yips thing or something. Because guys don't just magically lose it for no discernible reason.
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It’s pitch selection. Game calling.

my guess is that in Minnesota they had a very experienced catcher working with him.
 
RoadWarrior said:
It’s pitch selection. Game calling.

my guess is that in Minnesota they had a very experienced catcher working with him.
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Career games caught w/Berrios:

#1) Mitch Garver (37) - at the beginning of Garver's career
#2) Jason Castro (35) - when Castro was 30-32yo
#3) Kirk (23)
#4) Bobby Wilson (14) - All would've happened in 2018 during Wilson's 2nd to last year in the bigs
#5) Jansen (13)
#6) Ryan Jeffers (11) - at the start of his career
#7) Willians Astudillo (10) - at the start of his career
#s 8-16) various guys who caught less than 10 games, 2 of which were with the Jays (McGuire and Moreno) and is about 50/50 cup-of-coffee nobodies and recognizable backups/vets (Kurt Suzuki, Chris Gimenez, Alex Avila)

So... not really? I mean not significantly. Sure Jason Castro is a solid veteran grinder and he was I believe the 2nd best on the list in terms of Berrios' ERA in those games (allowing for the limitations of calculating ERA in this fashion) if we weed out the small sample guys, but it's not like he was way better with veterans and sucked when he was in the hands of schmuck nobody catchers. Hell, he got lit up like a Christmas tree in the 7 games he was handled by Suzuki.

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Besides. If it was as simple as sequencing and calls, this would've been easily fixable by having the coaches go through his Minny starts compared to his Toronto starts and instructing him to pitch differently. And even if they didn't do that, they still should stumble on that solution by accident in the course of "you're doing X, don't." corrections.
 
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If that's what they were doing my first thing would be to go back and look at his first few starts in a Jays uniform back in 2021.

Like he was pretty much as advertised when he got here. The question might be what went wrong between October 21 and April of 22.

Or I might be full of shit. Who knows. If a multi- billion dollar org can't figure out what the issue is I seriously doubt any of us can.
 
Shaprio and Atkins have done a pretty bad job acquiring pitchers. Just looking at acquired pitchers via trade and FA:

1. Gausman: A - he’s been amazing
2: Bassit: TBD
3. Ryu: C- we got 1 elite year out of him and half of a decent year, so I won’t call this an F.
Kikuchi: D: I’m not calling it an F because he has a chance to rebound this season and it’s only year 2 and the contract isn’t as bad as the others.
4. Berrios: D - no sugar coating it. He’s been a negative asset player making a lot of money for the entire contract. The only reason I’m not calling it an F is he actually had a bunch of quality starts in between all of the implosions.


Average grade for shapkins on acquiring pitchers through trade and FA is a C. This has clearly been their biggest weakness imo.
 
He needs to completely abandon his 4 seamer honestly. First time through the lineup he was keeping them off balance because his curve is so good. Second time through the just took it every time and teed up on his flat ass fastball. He needs to be a sinker/cutter guy to compliment his great curve. A straight fastball at 93 is batting practice in todays MLB.
 
Puckstuff said:
Shaprio and Atkins have done a pretty bad job acquiring pitchers. Just looking at acquired pitchers via trade and FA:

1. Gausman: A - he’s been amazing
2: Bassit: TBD
3. Ryu: C- we got 1 elite year out of him and half of a decent year, so I won’t call this an F.
Kikuchi: D: I’m not calling it an F because he has a chance to rebound this season and it’s only year 2 and the contract isn’t as bad as the others.
4. Berrios: D - no sugar coating it. He’s been a negative asset player making a lot of money for the entire contract. The only reason I’m not calling it an F is he actually had a bunch of quality starts in between all of the implosions.


Average grade for shapkins on acquiring pitchers through trade and FA is a C. This has clearly been their biggest weakness imo.
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This is also omitting the value building acquisitions they’ve had like Ray, Stripling, Matz, Walker, etc. I think it’s still way too early to evaluate these deals (even Gausman) except Ryu. However I’m inclined to give them a positive rating for signing him because that signalled the opening of their competitive window.
 
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This is also omitting the value building acquisitions they’ve had like Ray, Stripling, Matz, Walker, etc. I think it’s still way too early to evaluate these deals (even Gausman) except Ryu. However I’m inclined to give them a positive rating for signing him because that signalled the opening of their competitive window.
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Their reliever acquisitions have been fairly good as well.

I think the big problem has been a failure to develop pitchers. It's Manoah and Romano. Romano they are somewhat lucky to have him still given they didn't protect him as a rule 5 pick.
 
Eyedea said:
This is also omitting the value building acquisitions they’ve had like Ray, Stripling, Matz, Walker, etc. I think it’s still way too early to evaluate these deals (even Gausman) except Ryu. However I’m inclined to give them a positive rating for signing him because that signalled the opening of their competitive window.
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I didn't preface it with "it's a small sample size" because we know that, but so far that's how it looks. Ofc Berrios could rebound and Gausman could implode and I'd change those ratings. But for me to date that's how it looks. I'm not writing off Berrios though. 17 quality starts last year probably means this isn't a Ricky Romero type situation.
 
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