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Blue Jays GDT: 2023 v2 | Sun, Apr 16 | vs TB | 1:30pm ET/10:30am PT | McClanahan vs Manoah

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Discoverer said:
Oddly enough, the numbers since the start of 2022 suggest the Jays are probably the best in baseball at going home. They've been thrown out at the plate 7 times in that span, with the league average at 16 and the Mariners (6) as the only other team under 10.

You could say that part of that is because they've haven't been a particularly fast team, so they hold at third a lot, but:

Scoring from 2B on a single:
2022 League average - 60%
2022 Jays - 66.8%
2023 Jays - 80%

Scoring from 1B on a double:
2022 League average - 41.2%
2022 Jays - 43.6%
2023 Jays - 45.4%

I don't know. I know every example of a bad send/hold stands out more than a good one (especially when the bad one is as bad a last night's), but if you have a relatively slow team that rarely ever gets thrown out at the plate but still scores at a well above average rate, that should reflect well on the 3B coach, shouldn't it?
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Fans (in all sports) have tunnel vision on their team and don't have perspective on the league as a whole. And when a bad thing happens a couple times thinks it only happens to them.

Same way every NHL fanbase thinks a disproportionate percentage of opposing milestone goals is scored against them, and every NHL fanbase has a laundry list of 'stars taken just after our bad pick' to show how their historical drafting is bad.
 
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Evaluating infielder defense is a funny thing.

If a SS makes a throwing error it's an incredibly obvious screwup and everyone is upset. But if a SS does a Jeter and doesn't get to a ball because he has limited range, he gets credited for a 'good effort anyway' and nobody really notices. But the net effect is exactly the same.

So the result is that if you have an infielder who gets to 90/100 balls but makes 5 throwing errors, fans think that player is a defensive travesty who is worse than a guy who gets to 80/100 balls but only makes 1 throwing error. And the exact opposite is true.

Bichette's arm accuracy sucks, but his range is good and overall he isn't a defensive problem and is slightly below average at worst. You could obviously upgrade on him defensively ... but when you have a superstar-level middle infielder you also want to keep that player happy.
 
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His lateral range is average but his -22 OAA over the past two years on balls he has to charge has to be the worst in the league for a SS. And a lot of that relates to his terrible throws that he makes on them.

e: couldn't find the leaderboard but I searched some of the worst defensive SS and no one was even in the stratosphere of -22 for charging balls.
 
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tmlms13 said:
Bichette makes every throw harder that it has to be. He single handedly won Vlad a gold glove
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He looks like a guy completely uncomfortable with his ability to throw a strike across the field. It's like he shotputs the ball the way he throws it.
 
theaub said:
His lateral range is average but his -22 OAA over the past two years on balls he has to charge has to be the worst in the league for a SS. And a lot of that relates to his terrible throws that he makes on them.

e: couldn't find the leaderboard but I searched some of the worst defensive SS and no one was even in the stratosphere of -22 for charging balls.
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Statcast Outs Above Average Leaderboard

He's only second worst! Kiner-Falefa is a -23. But they're in a league of their own in that category since the next worst is only a -10.

Bo is average or better moving to his left/right/back, which seems a bit weird. He's actually #1 in ranging back over that span at +6.

This all makes me think he would be a great OF - ranging back usually involves get good reads and tracking balls in the air, while his throwing problems seem to be more evident on short throws (a huge part of the reason he struggles on balls in).
 
Discoverer said:
Statcast Outs Above Average Leaderboard

He's only second worst! Kiner-Falefa is a -23. But they're in a league of their own in that category since the next worst is only a -10.

Bo is average or better moving to his left/right/back, which seems a bit weird. He's actually #1 in ranging back over that span at +6.

This all makes me think he would be a great OF - ranging back usually involves get good reads and tracking balls in the air, while his throwing problems seem to be more evident on short throws (a huge part of the reason he struggles on balls in).
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He's the 4th best SS against lefties and the worst SS against righties.

This seems to me like Bo's days off should be planned around lefty heavy opposing lineups as opposed to pitchers.

Edit: This also means that he is playing too deep by a step
 
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Bjindaho said:
He's the 4th best SS against lefties and the worst SS against righties.

This seems to me like Bo's days off should be planned around lefty heavy opposing lineups as opposed to pitchers.

Edit: This also means that he is playing too deep by a step
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It could mean that, but it depends if his errors coming in are fielding or throwing errors. We've seen a lot of plays where he charges and makes the play and then throws it away, even when he has plenty of time. I don't see playing in a step or two fixing those ones.
 
Overdrive asked John Gibbons the question about moving Bichette to 2B, they compared it to the Reyes-Tulo trade, a contender needs good SS defence.

I think Gibby misunderstood the question, thought they were asking if they should trade Bichette. But he pointed out that for a lot of players no matter who at a certain point it is too difficult to learn a new position. Moving to 2b wont help. And I bet Bichette is getting close. Not to mention I doubt he signs long term if they force him over to 2b.

It's Jeter 2.0 but throwing instead of range.
 
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It could mean that, but it depends if his errors coming in are fielding or throwing errors. We've seen a lot of plays where he charges and makes the play and then throws it away, even when he has plenty of time. I don't see playing in a step or two fixing those ones.
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He sucks at moving in, so playing in another step would reduce the likelihood he has to charge a ball.
 
Beaumaris said:
Amazingly incompetent,how on earth does he manage to keep his job ?:huh:
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Because you don't really know baseball like you think you do perhaps?

He put up the stop sign the moment he saw the ball knocked down,, and the Jays have the second lowest amount of times being thrown out at home since the start of 2022 (7).
 
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