2023 Tank Thread (Mod post Page 60)

[GunnarStahl]

Since it seems the Ducks will likely finish bottom 5 this year, I figured we should have a thread for discussing the implications of where the f***s will finish in the standings. As well as what factors could affect where they finish.

Tonight was interesting as all bottom 5 teams earned 2 points sans the Ducks and the Hawks.

Hey Folks,

Want to clear some of the air here, Tank talk is not an issue, please talk tank to your heart’s content here, totally understand how critical it is for that Future Potential Top pick. The issue is posting in the GDT, like you want the team to lose or make posts that you are angry they are winning or won the game, or bashing the team for not tanking.

The main reason is, to respect your fellow members. The GDT is about discussion of the game on a live basis and then post game discussion and opinions. A lot of fans are not rooting for the team to lose, and everyone has their views and opinions towards tanking, and may not want to discuss tanking in the GDT

If you guys have any concerns, feel free to PM me or another mod, and would be happy to explain more in detail.

Thanks!

Leo

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[Terry Yake]

need to make some trades ASAP. the tank has been derailed

 

[GermanRocket7]

Deal away Gibson now while he still holds high value, get a decent return for Klingberg and possibly Vatrano and call it a season. Seriously, I don't want to have yet another #9 pick or something just because we have one "hot" phase of 10-15 games in a season and suck donkey balls the whole rest.

 

[Rasp]

We are going to play ourselves out of a top 4 pick

 

[Static]

We are one point out of last place. Come on guys

 

[Hockey Duckie]

We are one point out of last place. Come on guys

Aren't we 3 points out of last place? Even though we won, we're still own the 2nd worst record due to tie-breaker.

 

[Static]

Aren't we 3 points out of last place? Even though we won, we're still own the 2nd worst record due to tie-breaker.

Yeah you're right

 

[Rybread86]

need to make some trades ASAP. the tank has been derailed

We don't hold the hottest commodities so we won't be the first to sell. By Friday though we will trade a few, just have to let the bigger dominoes fall.

Also, just because we don't sell now doesn't mean we won't or can't before the UFA window opens. Verbeek won't let guys go for nothing, I at least hold onto that much hope

 

[duckpuck]

We don't hold the hottest commodities so we won't be the first to sell. By Friday though we will trade a few, just have to let the bigger dominoes fall.

Also, just because we don't sell now doesn't mean we won't or can't before the UFA window opens. Verbeek won't let guys go for nothing, I at least hold onto that much hope

Klingberg was the only hope the ducks had to really get a good asset but that's not happening. Henrique too if he were healthy, though the market for him is probably a second round pick.

Beyond that, the ducks have scraps/depth pieces that won't return much most likely. Maybe Comtois brings back an asset in a hockey trade.

The other possibility is the ducks pick up a player in a salary dump deal (like they tried to do last year with Dadanov). That may prove to be the best pathway given the lack of value on the other assets.

 

[Rybread86]

Klingberg was the only hope the ducks had to really get a good asset but that's not happening. Henrique too if he were healthy, though the market for him is probably a second round pick.

Beyond that, the ducks have scraps/depth pieces that won't return much most likely. Maybe Comtois brings back an asset in a hockey trade.

The other possibility is the ducks pick up a player in a salary dump deal (like they tried to do last year with Dadanov). That may prove to be the best pathway given the lack of value on the other assets.

After the Jeannot trade I have no idea what Klingberg could get lol but I agree.

Biggest thing is just getting anything for what we have to offer.

Sell what isn't staying for whatever you can get. Maybe take a few swings on unconventional trades to bring back and drive on

 

[duckpuck]

After the Jeannot trade I have no idea what Klingberg could get lol but I agree.

Biggest thing is just getting anything for what we have to offer.

Sell what isn't staying for whatever you can get. Maybe take a few swings on unconventional trades to bring back and drive on

I think people are REALLY misconstruing the Jeannot trade. Tampa paid a steep price, but Tampa has minimum 3 years of Jeannot (pending RFA) and he will not be expensive. Likely replaces Maroon eventually.

And in terms of the assets given

Cal Foote - good young player, but not elite. Pending RFA. He hasn't been able to see the ice too much on the loaded Tampa team. And he probably wants to get paid as an RFA. Tampa has Begosian, Haydn Fleury and Prbix signed to cheap contracts for next year - in-house replacements for Foote.

Third-, fourth- and fifth-round picks in 2023 - honestly - not huge value here. Quantity, but not quality.

A second-round pick in 2024 - Decent value here. But its 2024 - so its worth less than a second round pick in 2023. Next year the 2024 second round pick gets a rental. But acquiring Jeannot now with term eliminates that need.

A protected 2025 first-round pick. Valuable, but this pick is even further out. And Tampa will still be very good in 2025 - they're loaded for the next few years and will add more depth as the cap goes up. Honestly, given how far out the pick is and how low its likely to be (given the proection), I don't think its as much as it seems like.

And that brings me to my next point. Tampa likely has real cap issues next year. Even with Killorn leaving as a UFA, big raises kick in for Cirelli, Sergachev, and Cernak.

Getting a player like Jeannot who will be an NHL regular for cheap helps a ton. they'll probably bridge him at a pretty good number.

 

[GermanRocket7]

And that brings me to my next point. Tampa likely has real cap issues next year. Even with Killorn leaving as a UFA, big raises kick in for Cirelli, Sergachev, and Cernak.

Getting a player like Jeannot who will be an NHL regular for cheap helps a ton. they'll probably bridge him at a pretty good number.

Sergachev is a player we should look at acquiring. He is exactly what we need for our defensemen and PV should be all over Tampa with anyone not named Zegras, Terry, MacTavish, Drysdale, Mintyukov or Dostal for him.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Columbus up 2-1 on Buf after 1.

Later:

Chicago at Arizona​

Montreal at Sharks​

C'mon, Columbus, pull out 2 points! Both later games need to go to OT!

 

[Static]

A team we want to be winning tonight is currently winning by multiple goals. We will see.

 

[AngelDuck]

It certainly feels like the bottom of the league has been playing much better hockey the last 2-3 weeks. Things are tightening up in the tank race

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

A team we want to be winning tonight is currently winning by multiple goals. We will see.

Yes, the CBJ are up 4-1 at the end of 2 periods. I still remember what happened in the Edmonton game, so don’t count the chickens before they have hatched

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Yes, the CBJ are up 4-1 at the end of 2 periods. I still remember what happened in the Edmonton game, so don’t count the chickens before they have hatched

sssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

@Static was being discrete. Even I didn't want to post the good news as I'm watching the game.

 

[Duck Off]

Yes, the CBJ are up 4-1 at the end of 2 periods. I still remember what happened in the Edmonton game, so don’t count the chickens before they have hatched

I hate you

 

[Static]

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

Yes, the CBJ are up 4-1 at the end of 2 periods.

It is now 4-3 with 10 minutes still to go in the 3rd period and the board is probably preparing to permanently ban me from this thread if the Jackets end up losing

 

[dracom]

ya'll got stop posting the scores midgame, you keep jinxing it lol

 

[Static]

Gudbranson is absolutely horrific

 

[AngelDuck]

Gudbranson is absolutely horrific

And they gave him a 4 year deal which many here thought we should have been in on

 

[Static]

Arizona is up 2-0 over Chicago. Hoping for some OT there, but Chicago is a husk of a franchise at this point.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

It would be so funny if Bedard did land in Chicago. That is a dire looking roster.

 

[Static]

Columbus is just trying to hang on. Peterka tattooed the crossbar and Columbus is just icing the puck over and over. Two minutes to go.

Columbus EN goal! They will win, one point behind us now.