2023 Tank Thread - Die Hard for Bedard

[Sexy Necksy Garland]

It will be different this time

 

[Hollywood Burrows]

You do realize how many other good pieces are needed to be a good team? Chicago was way more than Kane and Toews. Keith and Seabrook was an elite top pairing for a decade. Pitt had MAF and Letang. Going to ground zero with Bedard still need the rest of the roster to fill out. How many years will be needed to be blown off his career while trying to find the replacements for the key guys who would need to be moved to be that terrible?

it's irrelevant. they can't tank. they are locked into competing.

 

[Sexy Necksy Garland]

it's irrelevant. they can't tank. they are locked into competing.

Rutherford is a hilarious sellout. He obviously knows he can’t do shit with this mess but he still took the money. There is no chance he is allowed to rebuild, and I doubt he would even want to. He is accepting a paycheque he knows he will never earn.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Time to “Suck a Willy for Fantilli”

 

[me2]

Rutherford is a hilarious sellout. He obviously knows he can’t do shit with this mess but he still took the money. There is no chance he is allowed to rebuild, and I doubt he would even want to. He is accepting a paycheque he knows he will never earn.

This core won't be blown up for 4 it 5 years. He'll be retired long before they rebuild.

 

[lawrence]

This is the Canucks we're talking about. They're not getting Bedard. They will pick 13-15 and have a deficiency of draft picks again.

 

[Sharkbomb]

So this is probably my usual delusional Canucks copium, but I haven't lost all hope yet. Coming into this season I expected Vancouver to be a borderline playoff team and a finish somewhere 4-5 in the Pacific. And I think that's exactly the potential they've shown so far.

I think the Canucks are better than Seattle, Anaheim and SJ. The battle for #4 is going to be with LA and Vegas. I'm not going to lose hope until I see the team play against more teams in the Pacific with a sample size that includes some home games.

Sure, the defense is horrible and we've known that for a while, so not surprising. That can be somewhat improved with a trade. On the other hand, having multigoal leads in 4 consecutive road games isn't easy, so we know the team has some talent. Coaching is horrible though and the boys are not getting properly prepared for games (just look at the Caps game, two goals allowed within seconds of starting periods 1 and 2, a goal within 5 seconds of a PP, etc.), but I expect some adjustments there.

This first week has been more painful than usual because of the blown leads, that's just life as a Canucks fan, the emotional roller coaster will always be dizzying. But things even out and I don't expect this kind of bad luck to persist. I'd be more worried if the team was 0-3-1 with no signs it can win a game. But so far, in every single game they've played, there has been a point where I thought the team was definitely going to win. So as I said, I'll wait until we have a larger sample size that includes home games and more games against the Pacific division's middle and lower tier teams.

 

[vancityluongo]

philly west

everyone predicted the flyers would be the idiots that overestimate how good their team is, go for a playoff push, and maybe, maybe even trade their first round pick for a mid-season rental to salvage things after a terrible start

we all forgot that it's much funnier (and more fitting) for that to be the canucks

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

philly west

everyone predicted the flyers would be the idiots that overestimate how good their team is, go for a playoff push, and maybe, maybe even trade their first round pick for a mid-season rental to salvage things after a terrible start

we all forgot that it's much funnier (and more fitting) for that to be the canucks

And Carter Hart has been absolutely phenomenal while our "star" goaltenders have really struggled. Torts tenure here was a disaster and he has a rather short shelf-life but he has a way of getting talent to buy into his structure and keep things simple. Boudreau seems to be the opposite.

 

[BrentSopelsHair]

I think the Canucks are better than Seattle, Anaheim and SJ. The battle for #4 is going to be with LA and Vegas. I'm not going to lose hope until I see the team play against more teams in the Pacific with a sample size that includes some home games.

A fact of being a Canucks fan over the past few years that has been very annoying has been that any time we are "in the hunt" for the playoffs is less a result of us improving, and more of a result of there being worse teams in the division or the conference, usually teams with a real plan

 

[Grumbler]

when you let an injured man bleed a long time before he gets treated, there are consequences even if the bleeding has stopped now.

I think we might need a full rebuild.

 

[MarkMM]

when you let an injured man bleed a long time before he gets treated, there are consequences even if the bleeding has stopped now.

I think we might need a full rebuild.

Management laid out a two year plan but that was with the assumption that the team had good foundations, if that's no longer true (and I think if we've fallen out of it by American Thanksgiving then that would be the clear indicator) then it should be a serious consideration to change the timeline from gradually re-tooling over two years to an aggressive re-build that will take 3-5.

when you let an injured man bleed a long time before he gets treated, there are consequences even if the bleeding has stopped now.

I think we might need a full rebuild.

Management laid out a two year plan but that was with the assumption that the team had good foundations, if that's no longer true (and I think if we've fallen out of it by American Thanksgiving then that would be the clear indicator) then it should be a serious consideration to change the timeline from gradually re-tooling over two years to an aggressive re-build that will take 3-5.

 

[Vancouver_2010]

it's irrelevant. they can't tank. they are locked into competing.

What if they are not good enough to compete

 

[PuckMunchkin]

What if they are not good enough to compete

They are not good enough to compete either.

But the team is built so that it can't be easily dismantled.

 

[VanJack]

That's the eternal damnation of an NHL team in the mushy middle. The Canucks could 'flip their roster' between the NHL and Abbotsford, and it still might not be 'bad enough' to out-tank the Coyotes or the Hawks.

But can you imagine if Bedard were to end up down the I-5 in Seattle? They could quickly pass the Canucks heading in the opposite direction.

 

[TruGr1t]

when you let an injured man bleed a long time before he gets treated, there are consequences even if the bleeding has stopped now.

I think we might need a full rebuild.

Depends on what you want to accomplish. If you want to flail around trying to sneak into a wildcard spot for the next 5 years (before you actually rebuild) you could do that. If you're actually serious about building a contender and possibly winning a Cup, you probably need to start thinking about a rather significant roster turnover right now.

There are a number of media members at this point that have basically said they don't see more than 2-3 of the current players even being on the roster the next time the Canucks are legitimately a perennial playoff team.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Need Fantilli. HIs Hockeydb picture alone:

Oh and he's currently pacing 2ppg

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Need Fantilli. HIs Hockeydb picture alone:

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Oh and he's currently pacing 2ppg

I have a feeling he is going to end up in Seattle to form the my precious line with Brandon Tanev

 

[Canuck Luck]

Honestly would not be mad if the Canucks just cleaned house.

Trade bo, trade miller, trade boeser, hell even trade garland if we are keeping Bruce around to coach. Try to accumulate as many 23 1sts. This draft is insanely deep. With the accumulation of draft capital there’s going to be a few buchnevich/bjorkstrands shake loose. Trade a 2nd to take them on with all the free cap space

This team finishes bottom 6 that’s guaranteed shot at 1 of bedard/michikov/fantili/carlsson/yager/Ritchie

 

[Sexy Necksy Garland]

What if they are not good enough to compete

You don’t need to be good to compete for 16th overall. I hope you aren’t under the impression that isn’t the main priority.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

That's the eternal damnation of an NHL team in the mushy middle. The Canucks could 'flip their roster' between the NHL and Abbotsford, and it still might not be 'bad enough' to out-tank the Coyotes or the Hawks.

But can you imagine if Bedard were to end up down the I-5 in Seattle? They could quickly pass the Canucks heading in the opposite direction.

They will have Shane Wright and Connor Bedard as their top 6 centers. We will be so far behind them, it's not even funny.

 

[credulous]

Honestly would not be mad if the Canucks just cleaned house.

Trade bo, trade miller, trade boeser, hell even trade garland if we are keeping Bruce around to coach. Try to accumulate as many 23 1sts. This draft is insanely deep. With the accumulation of draft capital there’s going to be a few buchnevich/bjorkstrands shake loose. Trade a 2nd to take them on with all the free cap space

This team finishes bottom 6 that’s guaranteed shot at 1 of bedard/michikov/fantili/carlsson/yager/Ritchie

it's too late. other than horvat all these players have too much term and too much money owed. go look at capfriendly and try to find space for these guys

 

[Timmer44]

Honestly would not be mad if the Canucks just cleaned house.

Trade bo, trade miller, trade boeser, hell even trade garland if we are keeping Bruce around to coach. Try to accumulate as many 23 1sts. This draft is insanely deep. With the accumulation of draft capital there’s going to be a few buchnevich/bjorkstrands shake loose. Trade a 2nd to take them on with all the free cap space

This team finishes bottom 6 that’s guaranteed shot at 1 of bedard/michikov/fantili/carlsson/yager/Ritchie

I don't doubt the Canucks are trying to move pieces. But who can afford these guys at the moment. All the good teams are capped out.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

They will have Shane Wright and Connor Bedard as their top 6 centers. We will be so far behind them, it's not even funny.

And Beniers.

 

[Sexy Necksy Garland]

And Beniers.

I hope everything Seattle does starts to hit in a big way. I ain’t no fan of them and never will be but man oh man am I here for them absolutely humiliating our piece of shit small child abuser.