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Jack Straw said:
The one that comes immediately to my mind is Michael Vick. What he did was horrible. It was also illegal and he went to jail. I’ve had 3 dogs of my own. My parents had two dogs. Brother and sister have both had dogs. My dogs are literally my children. That said, Vick paid the penalty society demanded of him. He also did a lot of work with the Humane Society, going into the kind of neighborhoods he came from and speaking out against dog fighting. As far as I could tell, he was sincere and the people he worked with speaking out against animal cruelty supported him. As an Eagles fan and dog lover it was uncomfortable at first but from all appearences it seemed that he really learned from his experience and changed because of it.

Greenwood is a different situation since he wasn’t convicted of anything, but even so I haven’t seen anything that suggests he’s made anywhere near the effort that Vick did to address the wrongs that everyone knows he did. Unless that were to change there’s no way I’d want him on my team.
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Vick is a great example of someone that truly redeemed himself and backed up his remorse / growth as a human with actions, as you mentioned.

Greenwood on the other hand had the balls to come out and publicly say that he didn't commit the offense(s) and that the social media posts / audio tape were taken out of context. To me, you don't deserve second chances just because you were able to convince your girlfriend / baby mama to refuse to testify and escape any real punishment.

Edit: And I'm not quite sure what was more disgusting from Man United's end - (1) doing everything in their power to reintegrate Greenwood into the team until the public pressure came, or (2) peddling Greenwood's narrative that he was innocent and the public evidence was out of context in their own public statement.
 
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phisherman said:
People that announced that they put someone on ignore list.

People that act holier than thou and act as if they are better than others.

People that have faux outrage and announce they will stop supporting their team but in reality we all know nothing will stop that.
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1000000000000000000000000% agreed about the open posts concerning ignore lists. Makes people look juvenile IMHO.
 
KJS14 said:
Vick is a great example of someone that truly redeemed himself and backed up his remorse / growth as a human with actions, as you mentioned.

Greenwood on the other hand had the balls to come out and publicly say that he didn't commit the offense(s) and that the social media posts / audio tape were taken out of context. To me, you don't deserve second chances just because you were able to convince your girlfriend / baby mama to refuse to testify and escape any real punishment.

Edit: And I'm not quite sure what was more disgusting from Man United's end - (1) doing everything in their power to reintegrate Greenwood into the team until the public pressure came, or (2) peddling Greenwood's narrative that he was innocent and the public evidence was out of context in their own public statement.
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I mean he wasn't found guilty of anything. We can argue about how moral it is to have him on your roster, but it's not illegal, and Getafe can play him if they want to.
Court of public opinion is one thing... Law is another.
 




Cannot understand why we are selling Sanchez now, when the window is closed. Ange doesn't include Eric Dier in his matchday squads. Are our back-ups really going to be Ashley Phillips and Ben Davies?
 
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Corto said:
I mean he wasn't found guilty of anything. We can argue about how moral it is to have him on your roster, but it's not illegal, and Getafe can play him if they want to.
Court of public opinion is one thing... Law is another.
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I mean the only reason he wasn't legally charged with anything is because his girlfriend stopped cooperating with the trial so they had to dismiss it.
 
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Corto said:
I mean he wasn't found guilty of anything. We can argue about how moral it is to have him on your roster, but it's not illegal, and Getafe can play him if they want to.
Court of public opinion is one thing... Law is another.
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On the flip side, he wasn't pronounced innocent either.
 
Corto said:
I mean he wasn't found guilty of anything. We can argue about how moral it is to have him on your roster, but it's not illegal, and Getafe can play him if they want to.
Court of public opinion is one thing... Law is another.
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I don't think anyone's ever argued that playing Greenwood is illegal or that anyone should suffer legal consequences for it. And while he wasn't found 'guilty' of anything, everyone who reads about it understands why in about three seconds (victim stopped cooperating) and can deduce from the very obvious and very telling audio and photo leaks that Greenwood is a rapist and a wife-beater and all-around sociopath.
 




Supposedly Ange rates Ashley Phillips highly enough that he was fine with selling Sanchez.

Right now I think Davies is third option while Phillips is fourth. Really wish they would buy a much better third option in January. Davies really shouldn't need to play centre-back. I'm fine with Phillips as a fourth option though.
 
Paulie Gualtieri said:




Supposedly Ange rates Ashley Phillips highly enough that he was fine with selling Sanchez.

Right now I think Davies is third option while Phillips is fourth. Really wish they would buy a much better third option in January. Davies really shouldn't need to play centre-back. I'm fine with Phillips as a fourth option though.
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I'm a big Jacob Greaves fan from Hull. Big kid at 6'4" about to be 23 so good age to be a 3rd choice and occasional starter. Buy him in January and give him 6 months to learn from Davies how to be that LCB and LB backup option. Obviously he can be another Roden that doesn't pan out but should be a cheaper option than Kelly who is only gonna fill that role. Not sure what the Sanchez price is but if it's higher than 10M than sure go for the guy with premier league experience if the price isn't much more.
 
HoseEmDown said:
I'm a big Jacob Greaves fan from Hull. Big kid at 6'4" about to be 23 so good age to be a 3rd choice and occasional starter. Buy him in January and give him 6 months to learn from Davies how to be that LCB and LB backup option. Obviously he can be another Roden that doesn't pan out but should be a cheaper option than Kelly who is only gonna fill that role. Not sure what the Sanchez price is but if it's higher than 10M than sure go for the guy with premier league experience if the price isn't much more.
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Shhhhhh don’t talk about Greaves
 
Savant said:
Shhhhhh don’t talk about Greaves
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Surprised no one has gone for him the past few window's. Feel like he was better than O'shea who went to Burnley and as good as Obobamidele who went to Forest. Seems like Hull is really going for promotion this season so they haven't been sellers and are willing to spend.
 
HoseEmDown said:
Surprised no one has gone for him the past few window's. Feel like he was better than O'shea who went to Burnley and as good as Obobamidele who went to Forest. Seems like Hull is really going for promotion this season so they haven't been sellers and are willing to spend.
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I agree. Kind of thought it was a no brainer
 
HoseEmDown said:
I'm a big Jacob Greaves fan from Hull. Big kid at 6'4" about to be 23 so good age to be a 3rd choice and occasional starter. Buy him in January and give him 6 months to learn from Davies how to be that LCB and LB backup option. Obviously he can be another Roden that doesn't pan out but should be a cheaper option than Kelly who is only gonna fill that role. Not sure what the Sanchez price is but if it's higher than 10M than sure go for the guy with premier league experience if the price isn't much more.
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I like Greaves but I probably wouldn't want him as a third option yet.

As for Kelly his contract is up next summer. Bournemouth were only reluctant to sell because they couldn't find a replacement. But ideally I'd like someone better than him too.

Spurs should have a few non-homegrown slots open so the player doesn't necessarily need to be homegrown.
 
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So Leipzig tried to get Mouki this summer, bummed that didn't happen. Sesko-Moukoko with Simons and Olmo creating for them would've a wonderful young attacking quartet to watch...even if Sesko-Moukoko started the season coming off the bench for Poulsen-Openda.

And BVB might have been a good spot for Werner, rotating in for Adeyemi & Malen around Haller/Füllkrug. Wonder if that swap is something they loop back to in the winter if neither starts getting significant PT.
 
I don't know. Salah is an amazing player. They need him. But there's an argument that 200 million on the squad could be better served than a player who is in decline, and at 31 might not play as well or as much.
 
Chimaera said:
I don't know. Salah is an amazing player. They need him. But there's an argument that 200 million on the squad could be better served than a player who is in decline, and at 31 might not play as well or as much.
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If it was earlier in the window, for sure. But sell Salah now and how are you not at least showing an acceptance/willingness to punting on half of the season?
 
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