Buffalo Bills 2023 Summer - Post-Draft and Pre-Camp Talk

[Husko]

Draft Schedule
Round 1: Thursday April 27 at 8:00pm
Rounds 2-3: Friday April 28 at 7:00pm
Rounds 4-7: Saturday April 29 at 12:00pm

Draft Resources
The Beast by Dane Brugler: Best singular draft resource with scouting reports of 401 prospects. Subscription to The Athletic is required, but nothing stopping you from signing up for a free trial, downloading the beast, and unsubscribing. Worth it for this guide alone.

NFL.com Prospect Database: Includes writeups of hundreds of players with strengths, weaknesses, combine data and biographical information. Reports are written by Lance Zierlein, one of the more connected insiders to actual NFL executives, scouts, etc. Does a great job of presenting players the way NFL team see them.

NFL.com Draft Tracker: Can be sorted by round, position, or team.

PFN Mock Draft Simulator: This is the most user-friendly mock draft tool now that PFF's is behind a pay wall. Feel free to post your favorite or your final Bills mock draft!

The Athletic Football Show Draft Coverage: If you'd rather listen to smart analysis of each pick instead of whatever Mel Kiper does on ESPN these days, this is what I recommend. They don't have all the bells and whistles of a huge media production, but they have folks that know what they're talking about getting into the weeds of the picks. This is what I'll be watching. Free on Youtube.

Fitzgerald-Spielberger NFL Draft Trade Value Chart: A more modern, better trade value chart.

Accounts to Follow
Sal Capaccio: As much as I hate giving a platform to WGR, there's no denying he's the most on the ground, in the loop Bills beat reporter in town. He has the best access, no doubt.

Joe Buscaglia: Bills beat reporter for The Athletic. My personal favorite Bills follow. He will likely provide the most in-depth Bills-specific content on the draft.

Dane Brugler and Lance Zierlein: As I mention above, I think these two are by far the best in the business in terms of providing honest analysis on the draft class.

Cover 1: This is probably the best amatuer Bills coverage out there right now. They've got a lot of folks doing different things. Some grind tape far more than any of us could ever have time for. Others are more into synthesizing and extrapolating the analysis of others. They're not professionals, but they're very dedicated to what they do and provide a nice fan-forward perspective.

2023 HF Bills Big Board
1. Will Anderson, EDGE, Alabama (50%)
2. Jalen Carter, DT, Georgia (67%)
3. Peter Skoronski, OT, Northwestern (63%)
4. Paris Johnson, OT, Ohio State (50%)
5. Tyree Wilson, DE, Texas Tech (38%)
6. Christian Gonzalez, CB, Oregon (33%)
7. Broderick Jones, OT, Georgia (40%)
8. Drew Sanders, LB, Arkansas (25%)
8. Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia (25%)
8. Quinten Johnston, WR, TCU (25%)
11. Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, Ohio State (33%)
11. Brian Branch, S, Alabama (33%)
13. Darnell Wright, RT, Tennessee (40%)
14. Jordan Addison, WR, USC (44%)
15. TrentON Simpson, LB, Clemson (40%)
16. Myles Murphy, DE, Clemson (50%)
17. Anton Harrison, OT, Oklahoma (43%)
18. Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame (83%)
19. Jack Campbell, LB, Iowa (67%)
20. Zay Flowers, WR, Boston College (57%)
21. Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas (100%)
22. Nolan Smith, EDGE, Georgia (29%)
22. Bryan Bresee, DT, Clemson (29%)
24. Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee (50%)
25. Cody Mauch, OL, North Dakota State (33%)
25. O'Cyrus Torrence, G, Florida (33%) - Bills pick at #59
27. John Schmitz, C, Minnesota (33%)
27. Mazi Smith, DT, Michigan (33%)
29. Luke Musgrave, TE, Oregon State (43%)
30. Josh Downs, WR, North Carolina (50%)
31. Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah (40%) - Bills pick at #25

32. Blake Freeland, OT, BYU (33%)
32. Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois (33%)
34. Steve Avila, G, TCU (50%)
34. Matthew Bergeron, OT, Syracuse (50%)
34. Dawand Jones, OL, Ohio State (50%)
37. Calijah Kancey, DT, Pitt (50%)
38. Lukas Van Ness, DE, Iowa (25%)
38. Keeanu Benton, DT, Wisconsin (25%)
40. Luke Wylper, C, Ohio State (50%)
40. Joe Tipman, C, Wisconsin (50%)
42. Cedric Tillman, WR, Tennessee (40%)
42. Sam LaPorta, TE, Iowa (40%)
42. Tucker Kraft, TE, South Dakota State (40%)
42. Joey Porter Jr., CB, Penn State (40%)
46. Deonte Banks, CB, Maryland (40%)
47. Tyler Scott, WR, Cincinnati (50%)
48. Jaelyn Duncan, OT, Maryland (50%)
49. Gervon Dexter, DT, Florida (25%)
50. AT Perry, WR, Wake Forest (0%)

(Bills Pick) (Available)

Bills Picks

(25) Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah

A two-year starter at Utah, Kincaid was an F tight end in offensive coordinator Andy Ludwig’s offense. An FCS transfer, he became the main target in the Utes’ offense as a senior after Brant Kuithe was injured and led all FBS tight ends in receiving yards (74.2) and receptions (5.8) per game, just ahead of Notre Dame’s Michael Mayer in both categories (67.4 and 5.6, respectively). With his basketball background, Kincaid has fluid movement skills and flashes the short-area quickness to open stride and accelerate in and out of his breaks. He is a natural ball winner and shows confidence in his hands, doing most of his damage when catching the ball on the move (remarkable 35-to-4 touchdown-to-drop ratio in college). Overall, Kincaid is still developing his play strength and consistency as a blocker, but he is an above-average pass catcher with the burst, body control and ball skills to be a weapon in the slot. He projects as a playmaking “move” tight end in the NFL.

(59) O'Cyrus Torrence, G, Florida

A one-year starter at Florida, Torrence played right guard for the Gators in head coach Billy Napier’s zone-blocking scheme. As a freshman at Louisiana, he played at a high level on the same offensive line as three future NFL Draft picks (Robert Hunt, Kevin Dotson, Max Mitchell), and his play didn’t drop off vs. better CONTENTS [132] competition in the SEC in 2022 (he didn’t have to transfer to be a high draft pick but wasn’t afraid of the challenge). A massive but lean-muscled blocker, Torrence has above-average inline power and physicality in the run game to quickly gain control and drive defenders from their spot. In pass protection, he sets wide, strikes with authority and plays with the reactive quickness to recover and reposition his hands vs. quick pass rushers (zero sacks allowed in 1,501 career pass-blocking snaps). Overall, Torrence will struggle at times picking off targets in space (climbing or pulling), but he boasts the play strength, body control and competitive appetite to win his matchups. He is a plug-and-play zone starter in the NFL.

(91) Dorian Williams, LB, Tulana

A three-year starter at Tulane, Williams played WILL linebacker in head coach Willie Fritz’s 4-2-5 base scheme and combined for 303 tackles the lpast three seasons. He had a career year as a senior and played a key role in the greatest one-year turnaround in college football history as the Green Wave went from 2- 10 in 2021 to 12-2 in 2022, including a Cotton Bowl win against USC (Williams was the defensive MVP of the game). With his rangy athleticism, Williams is fluidmoving in pursuit and coverage with the tackling skills that fill up the stat sheet. However, he can be caught going with the flow because of inconsistent key-reads, and he doesn’t have the power to be a line-of-scrimmage thumper. Overall, you wish Williams played with better anticipation, but once he sees it, he gets there in a hurry and has the tools desired for a modern-day developmental linebacker. He has the profile of a key special teamer with the talent to eventually compete for NFL starting reps.

(150) Justin Shorter, WR, Florida

SUMMARY: A two-year starter at Florida, Shorter was the X receiver in head coach Billy Napier’s offense. One look at him and there is no mystery why he had more stars as a high school recruit than a clear-night sky, but he struggled to find his footing at Penn State and was more of a splashy weapon over his three years at Florida. Shorter has striking speed for his size and is at his best when he can stack coverage and create a vertical runway (75.9 percent of his 2022 catches resulted in a first down or touchdown). Though he provides a large strike zone for his quarterback, his contested catch success should be higher with his size advantage. Overall, Shorter is a one-speed runner with predictable route running, but his height/weight/speed mix is uncommon, and his ball-winning potential will tantalize NFL teams. His fit as a back-end-of-the-roster receiver makes him worth the risk.

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[Zman5778]

Stickied and programmed to go live before tomorrow's draft and will remain live until Sunday night. I figure after the draft, we'll set up another Bills thread for the dregs of the offseason.

 

[Zman5778]

And given the options in the poll:

I'm on team "trade out" all friggin day.

 

[Fezzy126]

Draft Schedule
Round 1: Thursday April 27 at 8:00pm
Rounds 2-3: Friday April 28 at 7:00pm
Rounds 4-7: Saturday April 29 at 12:00pm

Draft Resources
The Beast by Dane Brugler: Best singular draft resource with scouting reports of 401 prospects. Subscription to The Athletic is required, but nothing stopping you from signing up for a free trial, downloading the beast, and unsubscribing. Worth it for this guide alone.

NFL.com Prospect Database: Includes writeups of hundreds of players with strengths, weaknesses, combine data and biographical information. Reports are written by Lance Zierlein, one of the more connected insiders to actual NFL executives, scouts, etc. Does a great job of presenting players the way NFL team see them.

NFL.com Draft Tracker: Can be sorted by round, position, or team.

PFN Mock Draft Simulator: This is the most user-friendly mock draft tool now that PFF's is behind a pay wall. Feel free to post your favorite or your final Bills mock draft!

The Athletic Football Show Draft Coverage: If you'd rather listen to smart analysis of each pick instead of whatever Mel Kiper does on ESPN these days, this is what I recommend. They don't have all the bells and whistles of a huge media production, but they have folks that know what they're talking about getting into the weeds of the picks. This is what I'll be watching. Free on Youtube.

Fitzgerald-Spielberger NFL Draft Trade Value Chart: A more modern, better trade value chart.

Accounts to Follow
Sal Capaccio: As much as I hate giving a platform to WGR, there's no denying he's the most on the ground, in the loop Bills beat reporter in town. He has the best access, no doubt.

Joe Buscaglia: Bills beat reporter for The Athletic. My personal favorite Bills follow. He will likely provide the most in-depth Bills-specific content on the draft.

Dane Brugler and Lance Zierlein: As I mention above, I think these two are by far the best in the business in terms of providing honest analysis on the draft class.

Cover 1: This is probably the best amatuer Bills coverage out there right now. They've got a lot of folks doing different things. Some grind tape far more than any of us could ever have time for. Others are more into synthesizing and extrapolating the analysis of others. They're not professionals, but they're very dedicated to what they do and provide a nice fan-forward perspective.

2023 HF Bills Big Board
1. Will Anderson, EDGE, Alabama (50%)
2. Jalen Carter, DT, Georgia (67%)
3. Peter Skoronski, OT, Northwestern (63%)
4. Paris Johnson, OT, Ohio State (50%)
5. Tyree Wilson, DE, Texas Tech (38%)
6. Christian Gonzalez, CB, Oregon (33%)
7. Broderick Jones, OT, Georgia (40%)
8. Drew Sanders, LB, Arkansas (25%)
8. Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia (25%)
8. Quinten Johnston, WR, TCU (25%)
11. Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, Ohio State (33%)
11. Brian Branch, S, Alabama (33%)
13. Darnell Wright, RT, Tennessee (40%)
14. Jordan Addison, WR, USC (44%)
15. TrentON Simpson, LB, Clemson (40%)
16. Myles Murphy, DE, Clemson (50%)
17. Anton Harrison, OT, Oklahoma (43%)
18. Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame (83%)
19. Jack Campbell, LB, Iowa (67%)
20. Zay Flowers, WR, Boston College (57%)
21. Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas (100%)
22. Nolan Smith, EDGE, Georgia (29%)
22. Bryan Bresee, DT, Clemson (29%)
24. Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee (50%)
25. Cody Mauch, OL, North Dakota State (33%)
25. O'Cyrus Torrence, G, Florida (33%)
27. John Schmitz, C, Minnesota (33%)
27. Mazi Smith, DT, Michigan (33%)
29. Luke Musgrave, TE, Oregon State (43%)
30. Josh Downs, WR, North Carolina (50%)
31. Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah (40%)

32. Blake Freeland, OT, BYU (33%)
32. Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois (33%)
34. Steve Avila, G, TCU (50%)
34. Matthew Bergeron, OT, Syracuse (50%)
34. Dawand Jones, OL, Ohio State (50%)
37. Calijah Kancey, DT, Pitt (50%)
38. Lukas Van Ness, DE, Iowa (25%)
38. Keeanu Benton, DT, Wisconsin (25%)
40. Luke Wylper, C, Ohio State (50%)
40. Joe Tipman, C, Wisconsin (50%)
42. Cedric Tillman, WR, Tennessee (40%)
42. Sam LaPorta, TE, Iowa (40%)
42. Tucker Kraft, TE, South Dakota State (40%)
42. Joey Porter Jr., CB, Penn State (40%)
46. Deonte Banks, CB, Maryland (40%)
47. Tyler Scott, WR, Cincinnati (50%)
48. Jaelyn Duncan, OT, Maryland (50%)
49. Gervon Dexter, DT, Florida (25%)
50. AT Perry, WR, Wake Forest (0%)

This looks amazing, thanks for doing all the leg work for this!

 

[Ace]

Give me a wide receiver or give me death

 

[Fezzy126]

 

[kirby11]

I'm on team trade down all day. If I *had* to pick someone out of guys that are at least a bit likely to be there at 27, I'd be hoping for one of Flowers, Mazi Smith, or maybe Campbell.

 

[Willgamesh]

D Hop and Campbell.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

@Husko

Nice job with organising the big board polls. Obviously we all have disagreements - but i really think this year's BB looks better than previous ones we've done. At least nobody voted for a QB this time...!

 

[Jim Bob]

I have a feeling it will be hard for any pod episode to top this one for me today.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Can someone with The Athletic post Joe B's last mock picks from yesterday please ?

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Capaccio: NFL Mock Draft 1.0

Sal Capaccio gives us his one and only first round mock for the 2023 NFL Draft, as well as an explanation of the Buffalo Bills’ selection with the 27th pick in Round 1:

www.audacy.com

 

[Jim Bob]

Can someone with The Athletic post Joe B's last mock picks from yesterday please ?

TRADE! Bills acquire Nos. 24, 152 and 159 for Nos. 27 and 91

The pick at No. 24: Jordan Addison, WR, USC​

The pick at No. 59: Gervon Dexter Sr., DT, Florida​

The pick at No. 130: Braeden Daniels, OT, Utah​

The pick at No. 137: Christopher Smith, S, Georgia​

The pick at No. 152: Marte Mapu, LB, Sacramento State​

The pick at No. 159: Payne Durham, TE, Purdue​

The pick at No. 205: Evan Hull, RB, Northwestern​

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[Chainshot]

When do things kick off tonight?

 

[Sound_n_Fury]

Can someone with The Athletic post Joe B's last mock picks from yesterday please ?

No. 24: Jordan Addison, WR, USC
No. 59: Gervon Dexter Sr., DT, Florida
130: Braeden Daniels, OT, Utah
No. 137: Christopher Smith, S, Georgia
No. 152: Marte Mapu, LB, Sacramento State
No. 159: Payne Durham, TE, Purdue
No. 205: Evan Hull, RB, Northwestern

 

[Dirty Dog]

When do things kick off tonight?

For the bills pick? They say around 11pm eastern.

But it’s supposed to all start at 8

 

[Chainshot]

For the bills pick? They say around 11pm eastern.

But it’s supposed to all start at 8

Thanks!

 

[Jim Bob]

For the bills pick? They say around 11pm eastern.

But it’s supposed to all start at 8

If they stay at 27.

I think things get interesting around 22 or 23 if Beane gets antsy and tries to move up to get a guy ala the trade up last year for Elam.

And then there is the chance that he trades back for the first time and they don't make a pick tonight.

Bob McGinn's Top 100

Our draft expert has taken first The Huddle Report's Top 100 board contest five times. Here's how he sees the 2023 draft going down.

www.golongtd.com

OFFENSE (52)
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Wide receivers (12): Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Ohio State; Jordan Addison, Southern California; Quentin Johnston, Texas Christian; Zay Flowers, Boston College; Jalin Hyatt, Tennessee; Josh Downs, North Carolina; Jonathan Mingo, Mississippi; Cedric Tillman, Tennessee; Marvin Mims, Oklahoma; Tyler Scott, Cincinnati; Nathaniel Dell, Houston; Jayden Reed, Michigan State.

Tight ends (9): Michael Mayer, Notre Dame; Dalton Kincaid, Utah; Luke Musgrave, Oregon State; Sam LaPorta, Iowa; Darnell Washington, Georgia; Luke Schoonmaker, Michigan; Tucker Kraft, South Dakota State; Josh Whyle, Cincinnati; Brenton Strange, Penn State.

Tackles (7): Paris Johnson, Ohio State; Broderick Jones, Georgia; Darnell Wright, Tennessee; Anton Harrison, Oklahoma; Matt Bergeron, Syracuse; Dawand Jones, Ohio State; Carter Warren, Pittsburgh.

Guards (7): Peter Skoronski, Northwestern; Cody Mauch, North Dakota State; Steve Avila, Texas Christian; O’Cyrus Torrence, Florida; Chandler Zavala, North Carolina State; Nick Saldiveri, Old Dominion; Atonio Mafi, UCLA.

Centers (4): Joe Tippmann, Wisconsin; John Michael Schmitz, Minnesota; Juice Scruggs, Penn State; Luke Wypler, Ohio State.

Quarterbacks (6): Bryce Young, Alabama; C.J. Stroud, Ohio State; Will Levis, Kentucky; Anthony Richardson, Florida; Hendon Hooker, Tennessee; Jake Haener, Fresno State.

Running backs (7): Bijan Robinson, Texas; Jahmyr Gibbs, Alabama; Zach Charbonnet, UCLA; Kendre Miller, Texas Christian; Devon Achane, Texas A&M; Roschon Johnson, Texas; Israel Abanikanda, Pittsburgh.

DEFENSE (48)
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Defensive line (8): Jalen Carter, Georgia; Bryan Bresee, Clemson; Keeanu Benton, Wisconsin; Mazi Smith, Michigan; Calijah Kancey, Pittsburgh; Keion White, Georgia Tech; Adetomiwa Adebawore, Northwestern; Gervon Dexter, Florida State;

Edge rushers (13): Will Anderson, Alabama; Lukas Van Ness, Iowa; Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech; Myles Murphy, Clemson; Will McDonald, Iowa State; Nolan Smith, Georgia; Isaiah Foskey, Notre Dame; Derick Hall, Auburn; BJ Ojulari, Louisiana State; Byron Young, Tennessee; Felix Anudike-Uzomah, Kansas State; Tuli Tuipultou, Southern California; Zach Harrison, Ohio State.

Linebackers (6): Jack Campbell, Iowa; Drew Sanders, Arkansas; Trenton Simpson, Clemson; DeMarvion Overshown, Texas; Daiyan Henley, Washington State; Dorian Williams, Tulane.

Cornerbacks (15): Christian Gonzalez, Oregon; Devon Witherspoon, Illinois; Joey Porter, Penn State; Deonte Banks, Maryland; Emmanuel Forbes, Mississippi State; DJ Turner, Michigan; Cam Smith, South Carolina; Kelee Ringo, Georgia; Clark Phillips, Utah; Darius Rush, South Carolina; Josh Brents, Kansas State; Garrett Williams, Syracuse; Riley Moss, Iowa; Jakorian Bennett, Maryland; Tyrique Stevenson, Miami.

Safeties (6): Brian Branch, Alabama; Quay Martin, Illinois; Sydney Brown, Illinois; Antonio Johnson, Texas A&M; Jammie Robinson, Florida State; Ji’Ayir Brown, Penn State.

 

[Jim Bob]

When do things kick off tonight?

 

[Rowley Birkin]

It's going to be past 4AM my time.

I hope that the wait continues until Friday night / Saturday morning - barring someone unexpectedly being available @ 27.

 

[Husko]

I have a feeling it will be hard for any pod episode to top this one for me today.

Thanks for the share. I really appreciate the way he reframed the Gabe discussion. It’s not that he sucks; we’re asking him to do way too much

 

[TehDoak]

There is no way I am staying up to see the bills trade back into the 2nd round after 3 hours of watching draft footage. I'll catch the replays.

 

[Fezzy126]

 

[Fezzy126]

Kiper's latest Mock has us taking an OLB

McDonald is 8th on Brugler's ranking of edge players.

 

[Sound_n_Fury]

Kiper's latest Mock has us taking an OLB

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McDonald is 8th on Brugler's ranking of edge players.

I think at this stage of his career, Mel like to troll himself.