HF Habs: 2023 Roster, Schedule & Standings Thread
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MarkovsKnee
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We're not trading Matheson.
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Jets win in regulation, so LAK don't pass us, but Jets do, so 13th.
San Jose beat Toronto in OT, so they're only 2 pts back now; however they have played 2 more games. Still, Sharks are no longer playing like a dog's breakfast.
Vancouver also won their 1st game of the season.
San Jose beat Toronto in OT, so they're only 2 pts back now; however they have played 2 more games. Still, Sharks are no longer playing like a dog's breakfast.
Vancouver also won their 1st game of the season.
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Not sure if this is the thread for this but Hoffman needs to go on waivers.
People keep saying that, but they aren't top 10 goalies right now. Monty is around 23rd and Allen 28th league wide in both save % and goal against. I looked at the stat last night.
Monty might be a little high, but he played less games, Allen is right where he should be.
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Monty will be the regular goalie in waiting for the next good one. I don't know if the next good one is in our system. Primeau takes time to developp and after him there is Dichow and Dobes. I wouldn't be surprise if KH trade for a better goalie in 2 or 3 years. The Allen-Monty duo can go on for a while, we're not contenders yet. I could see Allen getting traded as soon as tdl '23 if the return is high. A duo Monty- Primeau is possible next year if Primeau progress. The progress of Monty might change the picture. He still have a great potential. He seems to be appreciated by his teamates, if this is worth to mention.
Oh, I forgot to mention Price. I think his career is done. It would be redundant and a waste of time to explain why.
Yes hope for a Florida free fall instead of a Montreal free fall.
Realistically, ours will probably be a top 10 pick. And the chances of winning the lottery is around 5% versus 20% if you finish 10th last or last so it’s not even that big of deal. The only thing finishing lower does is set a “better” floor for how low we will draft
Every thread is the right place for “Hoffman deserves to go on waivers”
Lose Panthers lose!
Not sure how the Flyers won that game last night
Not sure how the Flyers won that game last night
Catanddogguitarrr
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23rd is excellent if we take into consideration the bad we have right now. Edmuns and Mathes injured, Wideman sucks as hell and the only good ones are Jack-Eye, Ghule and Harris = unexperimented. Our PP sucks as hell and overall we are a very bad team, a torture to watch such a slow and disorganised team. The win last night was a miracle and the saves of Monty.
But saying "23rd is excellent if we take into consideration the bad we have right now" is what I write right now, not knowing the future, today Oct 28th. A few bad losses and a lot of goals allowed by Monty will change what I wrote. Of course.
Carter Hart is having a great season start: .947 sv% and 2 ga per games, 5-0. In term of starters, only Oettinger is doing better.Lose Panthers lose!
Not sure how the Flyers won that game last night
You cannot just look at raw goalie stats to determine how well the goalies have played, especially in such a low sample size. Montreal's defense is pretty damn bad at preventing quality chances against (like seen last night), yet both Allen and Monty have maintained very respectable numbers so far. Adjusted to the quality of the shots they've faced, Allen is the 3rd best goalie in the league at the moment, only behind Hart and Oettinger. Monty is also in the top 10.
If I were a betting man I wouldn't count on Allen being a Vezina candidate at the end of the season nor would I expect Monty being one of the best backups in the entire league.
Is our tank going to be ok? Someone please reassure me that the tank is still ok!
I'm talking goals saved above expected which accounts for shot location and puts Allen and Montembeault at 3rd and 11th in the league respectively. Basically what I'm saying is that being in the mid 20s sv% behind this group of defencemen and generally poor defensive forwards is highly unlikely to continue and we'll see both goalies drop off a lot soon. Allen will also plain drop off from workload if hes used as a 1A all year, and Montembeault is an AHLer to me, I think he'll be like .890 ish again.
As for the broader conversation, I think we're still in line for a top 5 pick unless Matheson comes back and plays the right side forming a legitimate median NHL first pairing at which point we might push 6-10 pre-lotto and it would be difficult to complain about having a legitimate first pair again.
We've been better than I expected (I assumed we'd be on an island in 30th separating Arizona/Chicago from the rest of the bad/mediocre teams) but I don't think I'm really convinced they're outside the bottom 10 or even the bottom 5-6 yet with this goaltending.
We've been better than I expected (I assumed we'd be on an island in 30th separating Arizona/Chicago from the rest of the bad/mediocre teams) but I don't think I'm really convinced they're outside the bottom 10 or even the bottom 5-6 yet with this goaltending.
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The thing is there are only 3 teams that are really standing out in East: Carolina (who frankly has beat 4 shitty teams, CBJ, SJS, SEA & VAN), Philadelphia, whose play is not sustainable as they're getting buried and Hart is saving their asses, like Gibson for Anaheim he'll get exhausted with all the shots (51 last night), and Boston who is starting to build a lead as the #1 team.
All other teams are at .500, or just above (by a game or point), or just below (by a game or point).
Wouldn't be surprised if it's like that all season.
I'm not sure there's all that much that differentiates teams like Detroit, New Jersey, Ottawa, Washington, Buffalo, NYR, Toronto, CBJ & NYI.
Think eventually Pittsburgh & TB will separate themselves from the pack. Not sure Toronto will due to a really poor D, goaltending & bottom 6. They're relying on their top 4, Matthews, Marner, Tavares & Nylander to drive them more than ever.
Montreal should wind up a step below in last, but maybe not as far back as originally thought.
All other teams are at .500, or just above (by a game or point), or just below (by a game or point).
Wouldn't be surprised if it's like that all season.
I'm not sure there's all that much that differentiates teams like Detroit, New Jersey, Ottawa, Washington, Buffalo, NYR, Toronto, CBJ & NYI.
Think eventually Pittsburgh & TB will separate themselves from the pack. Not sure Toronto will due to a really poor D, goaltending & bottom 6. They're relying on their top 4, Matthews, Marner, Tavares & Nylander to drive them more than ever.
Montreal should wind up a step below in last, but maybe not as far back as originally thought.
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-Montreal has not won a single game by more than a goal other than Arizona.
-The special teams have generally been awful.
-They still grade as below average in expected goal percentage.
-Both Allen and Monty are top-10 in the NHL Goals saved above expected per 60 and are the biggest reason Montreal is .500. I would not bet on that continuing.
Montreal wasn't going to be as bad as they were last year, but this is still not a good team.
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MtlSars
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Settle down gents, it's October. By December the cogs will sync more for the rest of the league and the habs are unlikely to play .500 by then.
We will likely remain last in the division and likely the east. Philly playing good under Torts bodes well for us.
The west however is atrocious and it will be hard to compete for the tank with the best of them. Still a top 5 is likely....
We will likely remain last in the division and likely the east. Philly playing good under Torts bodes well for us.
The west however is atrocious and it will be hard to compete for the tank with the best of them. Still a top 5 is likely....
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Power play have been awful. Our PK is solid this year
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The PK results have been solid, but that's mostly on goaltending. They're giving up too many opportunities for me to think it will last.
Adam Michaels
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Almost everyone played their part in this scenario. Habs were among the 4 teams who missed their assignment.
Habs, Wings, Blackhawks & Caps didn't do their parts. Everyone else did.
The good news about the teams behind them winning is that at least Habs didn't create a separation.
Tonight's desired results:
- Ducks win vs. Vegas
- Devils win vs. Avs
- Jackets win vs. Bruins
- Isles win vs. Canes
- Canucks win vs. Pens
- Yotes win vs. Jets
A bunch of them would be ideal to be won in OT because if the losing teams gets a loser point, they create some separation from the Habs.
Supersonic
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We’re like what, 5 points up from last in the league right now? And it’s not even November?
Let’s maybe relax a bit. HuGo will sell this team exactly when he should. Expect a top 10 lottery selection.
Let’s maybe relax a bit. HuGo will sell this team exactly when he should. Expect a top 10 lottery selection.
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I don't see ANY of those results occurring. All the bad teams are playing good teams.
Allen is 3rd if you go by GSAx ranking, 7th by GSAx per 60, but that stat doesn't mean what people think it means. It just shows how well the goalie is playing over the season. If we look at it games per games for the habs you'll see that they don't win because Allen/Monty are stealing games like some people think.
Monty
Sabres xGA 2.84 /Habs xGA 3.83 finale score 2-3 (2 goals saved by Evans and Xhejak, it should have been 4-3 for the Sabres)
Pens xGA 3.14 /Habs xGA 2.6 final score 2-3 (nothing to see here, not even a full goal saved by Monty)
Caps xGA 2.34 / Habs xGA 4.64 final score 3 -1 (both goalies played well)
Monty didn't steal any games.
Allen
Wild xGA 2.85 /Habs xGA 4.49 final score 3-1 (MAF > Allen, but both had positive xGSA)
Stars xGA 2.54/ Habs xGA 3.76 final score 5-2 (Allen had a negative xGSA this game)
Yotes xGA 3.18 /Habs xGA 2.13 final score 6-2 (Yotes goalie was terrible)
Leafs xGA 2.47 / Habs xGA 2.96 final score 3-4 (bad goalies all around)
Wings xGA 1.62 / Habs xGA 5.57 final score 3-0 (Allen was good in this game, but they lost)
Allen has two wins and one of them was because the other team goalie was bad, the other one both goalies were bad.
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