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Red Sox/MLB 2023 Regular Season VIII - Chaim Bloom FIRED

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Mr Cartmenez

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Johnnyduke said:
Completely understandable. Not even a question. Seems like a lot of people on here were right after all.
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Well, I am not here to take victory laps. I don't even feel good about a person losing his job, but unfortunately it was time. The reasons have been stated multiple times, but I am somehow a little angered that they allowed him to control another draft year (decent result) and the trading deadline (atrocious result).

An important off-season is coming up and there is no way Bloom has shown that he can be trusted. Most of his contracts have been "unimpressive" (the most recent and most expensive being Yoshida and Story). Not to mention the way he handled the pitching / rotation. And then theres the botched 2 deadlines in a row.

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For what it's worth, I just listened to Carrabis' podcast where he first learned about Bloom's firing. According to Jared...

- Agents and teams did not like dealing with Bloom. Felt he was often unreasonable. Agents would text him asking "What's the deal with this guy?"

- There was a trade in place to send Verdugo to Houston at the deadline that the Sox backed out of. Could have been what their prolonged outfield conversation was about.

- At one point, the Sox had a deal to move Chris Sale that Bloom pulled the plug on because he didn't like the prospects they were getting.

- Sox knew there was a risk that Paxton would break down, the Dodgers were interested at the deadline, but again... Bloom didn't like the prospects that were offered.
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I am not sure whether such stories cannot be said about any GM. So I am hesitant to just take it and run with it, but seeing that many expected trades didn't come to fruition over the past years, it's absolutely legit to think that he's been "unreasonable". In the end, many GMs are probably like that, but ultimately settle. It's the results that matter in the end.
 
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Next year - any lead or tie 3 guys 8th & 9th

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Make 7 inning game
 

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GatorMike said:
For what it's worth, I just listened to Carrabis' podcast where he first learned about Bloom's firing. According to Jared...

- Agents and teams did not like dealing with Bloom. Felt he was often unreasonable. Agents would text him asking "What's the deal with this guy?"

- There was a trade in place to send Verdugo to Houston at the deadline that the Sox backed out of. Could have been what their prolonged outfield conversation was about.

- At one point, the Sox had a deal to move Chris Sale that Bloom pulled the plug on because he didn't like the prospects they were getting.

- Sox knew there was a risk that Paxton would break down, the Dodgers were interested at the deadline, but again... Bloom didn't like the prospects that were offered.
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Amazing how nobody is ever able to break news like this when a guy is still employed. But the conclusion is Chaim Bloom was not a great GM. He was good at building a farm system, subpar at major league roster. He's mediocre. A team like the Royals should hire him today. Those fans can be the ones to watch the farm system grow for 7 years while they finish in the basement of the division.
 

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A trade between the two pillow fighters in the division. That would have been funny. Rearranging deck chairs on Titanic for both teams.
 

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About to be 1-0 without Chaim. Playoffs back on.



If the Red Sox hired the As GM I think I would set Fenway Park on fire

I would stick with Bloom over that plan
 
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Johnnyduke said:
Because the complaint from the Bloomers was that there has been too much volatility with the Red Sox. The last place finishes mixed in with WS titles. Obviously everyone wants WS titles but the goal of Chaim Bloom was to eliminate the last place finishes and instead be like the Dodgers. Be good every year and have a chance in the playoffs. Problem is there's no guarantee you actually win it with that philosophy. The Dodgers only have a COVID title and that's it.
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The goal is always to win, right?

But there is no philosophy that will guarantee that.

Put the best team you can on the field, however you can do it. Then hope for the best.
 
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For those of you who are excited about this move, where do you see things going?

Because all I see is that ownership continues to show they can't stick to a plan and I have zero faith in their ability to hire someone good. Bloom certainly wasn't great or anything, but I understood the direction and appreciated that ownership seemed to support that. They're not going to suddenly say f*** the CBT and start throwing money at every problem.
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IDK,

17,000 for a Yankee game in September might have an effect on their attitude.
 
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Johnnyduke said:
Amazing how nobody is ever able to break news like this when a guy is still employed. But the conclusion is Chaim Bloom was not a great GM. He was good at building a farm system, subpar at major league roster. He's mediocre. A team like the Royals should hire him today. Those fans can be the ones to watch the farm system grow for 7 years while they finish in the basement of the division.
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Building a good farm system makes you a good drafting, player development guy. GMs can use those assets to build championship level major league teams which is the whole point. Bloom could never do that.
 
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Johnnyduke said:
I am just happy that whoever gets this job should know there is at least SOME pressure to win games.
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Well, we could technically rephrase it. Because I think over the first 2-3 years, Bloom didn't really have that pressure. It started going downhill in year 3 when Bloom thought he could take a shortcut of the rebuild. He went away from that formula. Many moves were either baffling (JBJ) or unnecessary (Story).

Nobody knew what the Sox were going to do, they never had a direction. Even at the 2021 DL Bloom "settled" for Schwarber. It ultimately worked out decently, but they couldn't use him for several weeks after acquiring him and quite frankly he was another DH player. The real player they probably should have gotten was Rizzo, if they were serious about making a noise that year.
He then made an even bigger mistake during that summer by extending Barnes (he actually should have traded him, not keeping him beyond that season)

Blooms tenure in his time with Boston is best describes as "half measures". You never felt he had a plan and sticked to it. And it doesn't seem like he nor his staff are good baseball evaluators. I refuse to believe that when you are willing to build such a bad defensive product for 3 years straight...and actually gets worse (!) on a yearly basis.
 
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