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The Padres (16-10 since July 1st) are turning things around and supporting their strong rotation.I haven't moved the goal posts. The use of shortstop is to highlight how piecemeal the Red Sox are. Now have the Padres been less than stellar? Sure, especially given the price tag they've paid for certain assets. You can also argue that the Red Sox have also been less than stellar, given their resources available to them and the ability to build a better roster than what they have as well as relying on players who don't have the ability to consistently post due to injury like Adam Duvall, Christian Arroyo, Chris Sale, James Paxton, Trevor Story, Garrett Whitlock, Tanner Houck, and Corey Kluber. That to me is insulting. Especially when there were arms to be had at the deadline. The Padres, despite being 5 games back and under 500, are still in it thanks to strength of schedule and that key players like Tatis, Kim, Machado, and Bogaerts are finally starting to turn it around offensively and are finally giving run support to their strong rotation. The Red Sox? They are playing a dangerous game of chicken relying on really only Brayan Bello, Rafael Devers, Jarren Durran, and Masataka Yoshida to get you through this while waiting for Sale, Whitlock, Houck, and Story to get back.
Um none of those people mentioned 8-8 being a losing seasonhe saw people he doesn't have on ignore responding to people he does?
Again, what are you talking about? You might want to consider just taking people off ignore but you can't handle being challenged about the precious Red Sox.Leave it to somebody who thinks 8-8 is a losing record to not understand that…
What about Turner? or Casas? or Paxton?
The Padres (16-10 since July 1st) are turning things around and supporting their strong rotation.
The Red Sox (16-9 since July 1st) are playing a dangerous game of chicken.
Starting PItching WAR in 2023:Yes, because again you keep ignoring the fact that the Red Sox have no healthy dependable arms in their starting rotation outside of Bello and Paxton at the moment. Sale, Houck, Whitlock, and Kluber are all on the IR, Pivetta's gone backwards, the bullpen sans the closer has been garbage, and they are doing stupid patchwork things to get by like doing the opener nonsense. Who else are the Red Sox going to lean on to make a deep playoff stretch? Winckowski and Crawford?
The Padres, meanwhile, have Blake Snell, Yu Darvish, and Joe Musgrove with Michael Wacha ready to come back off the IR. The only arm that's been suspect in that rotation is Seth Lugo. Their bullpen, admittedly, is a bit of a weak point. That said, their rotation of arms has been solid. I can't say the same about the Red Sox.
Turner - decent production but not a game changer like he was when he was with the Dodgers. he's also been forced to play out of position by Cora because Bloom signed way too many damn outfielders.
Casas - way too many long stretches of being close to the Mendoza line to be relied upon enough yet, plus he's still 23 so he deserves some latitude and not be expected to be a main offensive contributor at the moment. He has flashes but not consistent enough.
Paxton - His injury history is something that makes it very hard for me to see him as a foundational piece to rely on, just like with Sale. It's also his first healthy season in almost three seasons. If he's able to stay healthy for long enough, then yes you can say he was reliable. The issue is that key caveat of him needing to stay healthy. I don't know at 34 if he can be demanded to be a top front end pitcher with Bello while the rest of your rotation is ass cheeks and not healthy.
Starting PItching WAR in 2023:
1. Miami - 4.3
2. Philadelphia - 3.9
3. Boston - 3.6
9. San Diego - 2.3
...but tell me more about how Nick Pivetta (1.93 ERA in his last 12 appearances) has regressed.
Starting PItching WAR in 2023:
1. Miami - 4.3
2. Philadelphia - 3.9
3. Boston - 3.6
9. San Diego - 2.3
...but tell me more about how Nick Pivetta (1.93 ERA in his last 12 appearances) has regressed.
Right now (which is what we are talking about) Paxton is their best starter, not Bello.
Turner is their best clutch hitter, not Devers.
Casas has been much better than Yoshida.
Turner has been arguably our best player day in and day out. His presence in the clubhouse and versatility in the field will be sorely missed if we do not resign him.Turner - decent production but not a game changer like he was when he was with the Dodgers. he's also been forced to play out of position by Cora because Bloom signed way too many damn outfielders.
Casas - way too many long stretches of being close to the Mendoza line to be relied upon enough yet, plus he's still 23 so he deserves some latitude and not be expected to be a main offensive contributor at the moment. He has flashes but not consistent enough.
Paxton - His injury history is something that makes it very hard for me to see him as a foundational piece to rely on, just like with Sale. It's also his first healthy season in almost three seasons. If he's able to stay healthy for long enough, then yes you can say he was reliable. The issue is that key caveat of him needing to stay healthy. I don't know at 34 if he can be demanded to be a top front end pitcher with Bello while the rest of your rotation is ass cheeks and not healthy.
WAR = Wins Above ReplacementNot sure what that pitching WAR means.
But I do know SD has the best ERA in baseball (3.66) and the Sox are 17th (4.27).
If the Red Sox get ~140 quality innings out of Nick Pivetta this season, why should I care if it's as a starter or if he comes out of the bullpen in the 3rd inning?Funny how you fail to mention that Pivetta has only gone over 6 innings twice in that twelve appearance stint. But hey...can't allow pesky thing like that get in the way of a narrative or anything. /s
Look, moving Pivetta to the bullpen has been good for him because he's clearly not a starter. The problem, however, is that the Red Sox need starting pitching. Right now they have two bonafide starters, one is a rookie and the other is injury prone, two call ups from Worcester, and an open slot they use for the gimmicky ass opener nonsense while three starting pitchers are injured.
If the Red Sox get ~140 quality innings out of Nick Pivetta this season, why should I care if it's as a starter or if he comes out of the bullpen in the 3rd inning?
Wouldn't that be a good thing?Can he even register 140 innings at this point should the real starters come back?
The Windup: The Red Sox considered trading this veteran to the Marlins
Plus: Steve Cohen speaks after the Mets' sell-off.theathletic.com
Marlins thought they had a deal for Justin Turner, according to Ken Rosenthal. No word on what the return was going to be.