Red Sox/MLB 2023 Regular Season V - 58 games to go - Kiké Hernandez to the Dodgers for prospects

[Mione134]

I never read anything from Shaughnessy.

Absolute tool.

 

[DKH]

The Red Sox are the hottest team in baseball, but they still should be sellers at the deadline​

By Dan Shaughnessy

The Boston Red Sox, the hottest team in baseball, open a West Coast trip in San Francisco against the Giants Friday night.

Baseball boss Chaim Bloom plans to be back in Boston from now through Tuesday’s trade deadline (when the team will be in Seattle), and he’s in a pretty odd position.
What do you think? Should the Sox be buyers or sellers? Are they contenders or is the recent success fool’s gold?

Beats the heck out of me. I’ve been ready to bury these guys since the first sunflower seed was spit in Fort Myers, but they’ve won 15 of 20 and just swept the best team in baseball, recovering from a 3-0 deficit in the sixth inning Wednesday in a nationally televised 5-3 win over the estimable Braves.

The Sox have a raft of hot hitters (hello Triston Casas), have come from behind in 30 of their wins, seem to downright like one another, and as of Thursday were a mere 1½ games behind Toronto in the quest for the final wild-card spot in the American League. Given what he has to work with on an everyday basis, this has to be Alex Cora’s best managing job.

Swell.

But is it sustainable? Is this a team that can actually contend in the postseason?

Sorry. Just not seeing it. These Sox were not built to win this year. And that’s why I’d trade James Paxton, Kenley Jensen, Adam Duvall, and Justin Turner between now and Tuesday. It is the opinion of this typist that the Sox gave up on this team long before Opening Day and this recent spate of success is only making it difficult to stay the course and keep building for the future.

It certainly sends a bad message to sell veterans when you are this close to a playoff spot, but let’s remember that the final playoff spot means you are one of six in your league and likely headed for early elimination.

It’s a tough message to your fans to sell under these conditions, but it would be the best thing to do for the long-term health of the Red Sox.

Simply put: What we’ve seen the last few days and weeks is not sustainable.

The Red Sox are the hottest team in baseball, but they still should be sellers at the deadline - The Boston Globe

He’s trolling

Also - Shaughnessy I don’t care if Hank Peters and Earl Weaver taught him about the hidden ball trick

I’ve read him for 40 years and never thought he knew much about baseball

Ok he can write - Whoopie

 

[GatorMike]

Wow.

Dan Shaughnessy has a terrible opinion.

Shocker.

 

[DKH]

f*** off shank, if they sold you would turn around and write an article bemoaning the fact they punted and how that is unacceptable in this market

Talk about not having a finger on the pulse. What a hack. Team culture matters. Trading Turner in particular would be nuts imo

Sadly he is like Felger & Mazz and Adam Jones - it’s so much fake stuff it’s not worth it anymore

Shaughnessy should retire - he’s gotta be 70 and he doesn’t even come across as liking what he’s doing

Ryan & Gammons you believed this is how they felt - Shank is trying to piss people off and succeeding

Dan please retire you can’t need the money

 

[Smitty93]

The worst part of Shank is every once in a while he writes something that's actually thoughtful and reminds you that what he's become is all about laziness, not talent. He could be great if he wanted to, but he'd rather just be a dick.

 

[GatorMike]

 

[EverettMike]

Are you

The Red Sox are the hottest team in baseball, but they still should be sellers at the deadline​

By Dan Shaughnessy

The Boston Red Sox, the hottest team in baseball, open a West Coast trip in San Francisco against the Giants Friday night.

Baseball boss Chaim Bloom plans to be back in Boston from now through Tuesday’s trade deadline (when the team will be in Seattle), and he’s in a pretty odd position.
What do you think? Should the Sox be buyers or sellers? Are they contenders or is the recent success fool’s gold?

Beats the heck out of me. I’ve been ready to bury these guys since the first sunflower seed was spit in Fort Myers, but they’ve won 15 of 20 and just swept the best team in baseball, recovering from a 3-0 deficit in the sixth inning Wednesday in a nationally televised 5-3 win over the estimable Braves.

The Sox have a raft of hot hitters (hello Triston Casas), have come from behind in 30 of their wins, seem to downright like one another, and as of Thursday were a mere 1½ games behind Toronto in the quest for the final wild-card spot in the American League. Given what he has to work with on an everyday basis, this has to be Alex Cora’s best managing job.

Swell.

But is it sustainable? Is this a team that can actually contend in the postseason?

Sorry. Just not seeing it. These Sox were not built to win this year. And that’s why I’d trade James Paxton, Kenley Jensen, Adam Duvall, and Justin Turner between now and Tuesday. It is the opinion of this typist that the Sox gave up on this team long before Opening Day and this recent spate of success is only making it difficult to stay the course and keep building for the future.

It certainly sends a bad message to sell veterans when you are this close to a playoff spot, but let’s remember that the final playoff spot means you are one of six in your league and likely headed for early elimination.

It’s a tough message to your fans to sell under these conditions, but it would be the best thing to do for the long-term health of the Red Sox.

Simply put: What we’ve seen the last few days and weeks is not sustainable.

The Red Sox are the hottest team in baseball, but they still should be sellers at the deadline - The Boston Globe

Are you the last Shaughnessy fan in Boston?

 

[Mr Cartmenez]

After looking through the teams the Red Sox / Bloom has made deals with, the White Sox could be a potential partner. They have two interesting pitchers in old friend Joe Kelly and former top prospect Michael Kopech.

- Kelly has decent numbers (beyond ERA). Pretty much on par with his advanced stats over the past 6 years (very consistent). But most importantly, he has had post-season success before, so his stuff is proven.

- Kopech has not been very good this year, but may need a change of scenery and could do both, starting and relieving. His best year in 2021 was as a reliever.

 

[N o o d l e s]

Nahhhhhh

 

[CDJ]

Nahhhhhh

I guess the idea would be for him to be starting at 2B? Or have story back at 2B? I like the player but it’s a weird fit, especially with him being a RHH

 

[quietbruinfan]

All hail Shank, he is probably right you know.

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

All hail Shank, he is probably right you know.

Gross.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Nahhhhhh

Better than the atrocious Yu chang or noodle-armed and mediocre Storey.

 

[CDJ]

Gross.

With the lineup they’ve been rolling out lately they can afford to have a couple glove first guys. DeJong is a seasoned Yu Chang

Personally I’d just roll with Soulja Boi Chang tho. Don’t think the gap between the players is wide enough to give up medium to better prospects for. If they want to send him here for Binelas and Zeferjahn then sure

 

[Mione134]

Nahhhhhh

DeJong isn't bad. I'd just roll with Chang tho. His stats have been dropping for a few years. I'd rather not.

 

[CDJ]

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

With the lineup they’ve been rolling out lately they can afford to have a couple glove first guys. DeJong is a seasoned Yu Chang

Personally I’d just roll with Soulja Boi Chang tho. Don’t think the gap between the players is wide enough to give up medium to better prospects for. If they want to send him here for Binelas and Zeferjahn then sure

You're speaking a different language to me, comrade. Don't know any of the names/players.

I'll take your word for it!

 

[CDJ]

You're speaking a different language to me, comrade. Don't know any of the names/players.

I'll take your word for it!

You don’t need to know those players because they’ll likely never be Red Sox lol

 

[DKH]

 

[Mr Cartmenez]

People question the bat and his lack of walks. I get that, but it seems that everything else about his game is superb. If he's well above average on the bases and ++ in CF and even + at SS, he'd be a 3-4 WAR player even if he had an average bat.

Best example could be JBJ in 2018: Average bat (90 wRC+, 5.7 on the bases and 15 on defense) led to a 3.4 WAR.

JBJs 6 year run from 2015 to 2020 was actually pretty fine. If Rafaela can accumulate a similar WAR over the same timeframe, that'd be a pretty good outcome.

 

[DKH]

People question the bat and his lack of walks. I get that, but it seems that everything else about his game is superb. If he's well above average on the bases and ++ in CF and even + at SS, he'd be a 3-4 WAR player even if he had an average bat.

Best example could be JBJ in 2018: Average bat (90 wRC+, 5.7 on the bases and 15 on defense) led to a 3.4 WAR.

JBJs 6 year run from 2015 to 2020 was actually pretty fine. If Rafaela can accumulate a similar WAR over the same timeframe, that'd be a pretty good outcome.

I watched him last night and went to game Wednesday and sat off home plate outside area and he was not chasing and taking pitchers

If he walked even average rate he’d be a monster

Duran & Rafaela in CF/RF would be wild

With Fenway’s spacious and tricky RF as well as Betts importance in RF I’d be cool if he’s there

He also is supposedly a high end SS so hr offers flex ability

Definitely interesting and if you went Duran & Rafaela and they could be around 350 On base they could steal 80-100 bases

 

[Johnnyduke]

You have a competitive team with a good farm system and a mid payroll. Strike in the offseason. You are the Boston Red Sox. Make a push for Ohtani. The timing couldn't be better for the organization. If John Henry wants people to change how people view him that would be the play. I don't need breakdowns on how it won't end up being a good contract. I don't care about that. They almost never are. Someone has to sign him so why not us.

 

[Johnnyduke]

Ryan & Gammons you believed this is how they felt - Shank is trying to piss people off and succeeding

If everyone hates Shaughnessy so much how has he lasted this long? Lighten up people, he's a writer who is good at getting a reaction from people. That's sorta what he's paid to do. He's not a beat writer. If he didn't elicit a response from fans he would have been long gone by now. But sure enough he writes something and people still lose their minds over it.

You know who also "sucked"? Ron Borges. The difference there is he has seemed to fade off into oblivion.

 

[Johnnyduke]

He could be great if he wanted to, but he'd rather just be a dick.

Tell me, if he wanted to be great, how long would he have lasted in the market? Dude has been around forever. Being an alleged dick has served him well. I'm not sure how being a nice guy and waving pom poms would have made his career turn out any better than it has for him. You certainly don't have to like him but I think he knows what he's doing. It has worked and is still working.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

You're speaking a different language to me, comrade. Don't know any of the names/players.

I'll take your word for it!

Why’d you say gross then? Lol