Red Sox/MLB 2023 Regular Season V - 58 games to go - Kiké Hernandez to the Dodgers for prospects

[Montecristo]

Fangraphs has them as the #5 system in the sport

I’m praying for the people who were jeering them after Keith laws preseason rankings

I hate having a top 5 system

I'm not sure whether people have been paying attention to the development monster the Orioles have been building, but when you have multiple teams in your division that are self-sustaining organizations, you have to change tactics. I don't think the Dombrowski-style of going all-in for a few years is going to work as well as it did in the past. Teams are getting too smart.

Adapt or die.

i disagree. I think you need in this era a GM whos most valuable skill is self evaluation. I dont want ben cheringtons red sox at all. I want to trade our prospects for big league help. I just dont want to trade ones that turn into good players. I want to trade the ones that turn into bad players. Perfect example is yoan moncada. He is not good. And when he was traded he was like the top prospect in baseball.

If our gm could self scout and maybe he says to himself “marcelo mayer is a top flight prospect; but he stinks” then trade him before everyone finds out he stinks. I remember henry owens. Top flight pitching prospect top 100 in baseball, cherington held onto him, got to triple a and fell on his face, value plummeted, turned into nothing.

Trade the prospects before they turn into pumpkins. Thats what dombrowski did. Of all the players he “depleted” from our system, very few came back to bite us. I think chaim has done enough here to prove hes a capable drafter and developer, but can he make the moves at the mlb level that require parting with players who at the time look like they could be good…remember anderson espinoza? Little pedro; traded for pomerantz i think. He turned into nothing. If nick yorke is gonna stink; trade him. If shane drohan is gonna bust, move him..its not easy but thats what makes LA good. Rubby de la rosa sllen webster, jeter downs. All suppsed to be good. All stunk

 

[CDJ]

“The bullpen sucks” he wails from the locker he was jammed in

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I hate having a top 5 systemi disagree. I think you need in this era a GM whos most valuable skill is self evaluation. I dont want ben cheringtons red sox at all. I want to trade our prospects for big league help. I just dont want to trade ones that turn into good players. I want to trade the ones that turn into bad players. Perfect example is yoan moncada. He is not good. And when he was traded he was like the top prospect in baseball.
If our gm could self scout and maybe he says to himself “marcelo mayer is a top flight prospect; but he stinks” then trade him before everyone finds out he stinks. I remember henry owens. Top flight pitching prospect top 100 in baseball, cherington held onto him, got to triple a and fell on his face, value plummeted, turned into nothing.

Trade the prospects before they turn into pumpkins. Thats what dombrowski did. Of all the players he “depleted” from our system, very few came back to bite us. I think chaim has done enough here to prove hes a capable drafter and developer, but can he make the moves at the mlb level that require parting with players who at the time look like they could be good…remember anderson espinoza? Little pedro; traded for pomerantz i think. He turned into nothing. If nick yorke is gonna stink; trade him. If shane drohan is gonna bust, move him..its not easy but thats what makes LA good. Rubby de la rosa sllen webster, jeter downs. All suppsed to be good. All stunk

Is this a comedy routine?

 

[Johnnyduke]

The Sox have been to the same amount of ALCS’s under Bloom as they did under Duquette, in about half the time.

TBH the complaining about the GM is getting weird at this point! They’re winning games and they’re being led by off-season acquisitions and guys who were developed by this administration’s player development staff. All this while the farm has ascended in a huge way. But apparently none of that matters.

Can we ever stop with the strawman arguments? Or simply read the posts that are written and respond to those posts? The "I have people on block but am going to continue to lob bombs" routine is quite old. I will say for the 1000th time that this is the type of season Chaim needed to justify his vision. Be in contention for a playoff spot in year 4. But please stop saying people haven't had things to complain about with him as GM. That's absurd. If you see a specific complaint you don't agree with just respond to that complaint. It's not difficult.

I'm not sure whether people have been paying attention to the development monster the Orioles have been building, but when you have multiple teams in your division that are self-sustaining organizations, you have to change tactics. I don't think the Dombrowski-style of going all-in for a few years is going to work as well as it did in the past. Teams are getting too smart.

Adapt or die.

The Orioles are where they are because they sucked ass for how many years and finally hit on young players? That's not the same as what a Red Sox rebuild should be. I just don't think it's a good comparison at all to compare being a GM in Baltimore to being GM in Boston.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

The Sox have been to the same amount of ALCS’s under Bloom as they did under Duquette, in about half the time.

TBH the complaining about the GM is getting weird at this point! They’re winning games and they’re being led by off-season acquisitions and guys who were developed by this administration’s player development staff. All this while the farm has ascended in a huge way. But apparently none of that matters.

Cool story, Duquette was average at best and isn't exactly a high standard to aspire to

 

[Johnnyduke]

He did reel in Manny and Pedro. Moves the franchise desperately needed. Drafted Nomar, Youkilis. He did let Clemens go but that was more of Roger getting his "revenge body" after the breakup. He also traded for Lowe and Varitek. I think Duquette was a solid GM for the most part. He got fired because a new ownership group took over.

 

[EverettMike]

He did reel in Manny and Pedro. Moves the franchise desperately needed. Drafted Nomar, Youkilis. He did let Clemens go but that was more of Roger getting his "revenge body" after the breakup. He also traded for Lowe and Varitek. I think Duquette was a solid GM for the most part. He got fired because a new ownership group took over.

His awkwardness also hurt him. But he was actually a very good GM. Not only traded for the greatest pitcher in history he handed out maybe the only good giant free agent contract in baseball history. And the Varitek and Lowe deal is an all timer.

 

[DKH]

Went to Worcester game today. Bud got tickets a little to right of plate but excellent seats for identifying pitch

Story - batted in 2 spot

Batting - hit by fastball up high in shoulder; hit a long 400 foot ground-rule double the CF seemed to over run but it was 400 feet; skied to short on 3-2 pitch with runners on second and third. Sharp single in 5th and came out.

Defense - made an elite play on slow roller to the side of mound and threw a bullet across body to get runner. Sox management had to be ecstatic

RAFAELA

Had two hard hit balls for hits. Was up to 318 with 1000 OPS

Took close pitches and looked very in control in box- was facing mid 90 fastballs and he was making contact even if fouls on off spreed/ last at bat he actually swung and let go a bit as released but made contact and bat and ball were close by foul

I had never seen him but he looks powerful- not blocky but strong and muscular- and he’s on the shorter side but not that bad - I’d say 5’10 or just under

His awkwardness also hurt him. But he was actually a very good GM. Not only traded for the greatest pitcher in history he handed out maybe the only good giant free agent contract in baseball history. And the Varitek and Lowe deal is an all timer.

Yah if he was outgoing like a Brian Burke he would be thought of completely different

Most of 2004 was DD

I’d grade him B+/A-

His personality in a viscious place both media and fans were his enemy

 

[Johnnyduke]

More days in first place of course

 

[quietbruinfan]

Holy cow! Spencer Strider throws fire. I knew it by reputation, but that is different than facing it.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Holy cow! Spencer Strider throws fire. I knew it by reputation, but that is different than facing it.

Had an at bat did ya?

 

[Johnnyduke]

Nice bounce back from Bello tonight. That's exactly what you want to see.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

I like Bello’s number.

“Execute order 66”

 

[SPV]

Good pitching and a three run homer.

 

[KesselBuiltMyHotrod]

That sucked.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

That sucked.

The homer or listening to the ESPN coverage?

 

[N o o d l e s]

Albies elite

They’re elite at so many positions. I wish I bet them to win the WS pre season like I wanted to

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

I'm half watching but have it muted.

 

[FrankerC]

 

[Mione134]

Devers breaks through. Let's go boys.

 

[Mr Cartmenez]

He never was on the market. A trade never made sense. Despite being great, no team ever was going to give up the mega package that some envisioned.

The Angels are reporting this because of the relationship with Ohtani. They want to extend him and don't need any kind of bad blood. If I was them, I'd be aggressive buyers as well. If everything goes south (and Shohei leaves), they can still trade a Trout for a huge return and rebuild.
They Angels will be going all out within the next 4 days, anything else would shock me.

 

[Mione134]

TRISTON CASAS BIG BOY

 

[CDJ]

Triston Casas is the best hitter on the team

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

TRISTON CASAS BIG BOY

Quietly overtaking Yoshida as my favorite red sox

Triston Casas is the best hitter on the team

Not only the hits he's been getting but he has really good 'eye' for the ball and draws walks left and right.

 

[Mr Cartmenez]

Casas with the bat has been elite as of late. 2 HR against max, the tremendous AB bases loaded AB against Morton and now the mammoth shot against the likely upcoming NL CY Strider.