Red Sox/MLB 2023 Regular Season V - 58 games to go - Kiké Hernandez to the Dodgers for prospects

[DKH]

The problem wasn't that Dombrowski traded away all their top prospects, it was that he always paid retail sticker price in every trade.

It's not hard to sign guys or trade for them when you do that. To his credit he seemed to do a good job identifying which prospects to move (who has really come back to haunt them?), but both things can be true.

He traded Moncada who I still own in my APBA league and can report other than one year has been a colossal disappointment

Kopech if this was 1970 would be poster boy for a hundred thousand dollar arm and ten cent head - Dick Williams would have had him for lunch

Manuel Margot - got him as well lol - he’s a very good 4th OF

Dombrowski brilliance is thinking BIG and keeping the right guy

He way overpays - the Tigers contracts were nuts

His Sale deal was i credible bad - made me think he promised him it and kept his word when it was obvious he was broken and a 1 year deal with options for innings pitched was way to go

Dombrowski has no use for rebuilds

He sees himself as a star and maybe he is

Bloom shops at the Danvers Target and Dumbo is Newbury street

I think Philly fits him

He probably traded his wife, his highest-achieving kid, and the family dog for a Swedish model

His wife was young and hot back in the day - I remember thinking that was his best deal

 

[EverettMike]

He traded Moncada who I still own in my APBA league and can report other than one year has been a colossal disappointment

Kopech if this was 1970 would be poster boy for a hundred thousand dollar arm and ten cent head - Dick Williams would have had him for lunch

Manuel Margot - got him as well lol - he’s a very good 4th OF

Dombrowski brilliance is thinking BIG and keeping the right guy

He way overpays - the Tigers contracts were nuts

His Sale deal was i credible bad - made me think he promised him it and kept his word when it was obvious he was broken and a 1 year deal with options for innings pitched was way to go

Dombrowski has no use for rebuilds

He sees himself as a star and maybe he is

Bloom shops at the Danvers Target and Dumbo is Newbury street

I think Philly fits him


His wife was young and hot back in the day - I remember thinking that was his best deal

I mean, if you want to put together a World Series contender without worry about payroll or the future of the franchise Dombrowski is the best guy for the job.

I just think "sign the biggest free agents and trade all your prospects" is something a lot of people could do well but for obvious reasons can't or won't.

 

[DKH]

I mean, if you want to put together a World Series contender without worry about payroll or the future of the franchise Dombrowski is the best guy for the job.

I just think "sign the biggest free agents and trade all your prospects" is something a lot of people could do well but for obvious reasons can't or won't.

Your first paragraph was perfect summation

When he traded for Cabrera he also got away with the prospects not really hitting

He did trade the Angels that young stud catcher last season for Marsh but he has Realmuto

Dombrowski is the closet thing I’ve seen to a real GM actually doing what me and my buddies do

I take shit for knight but I traded literally months before Adam Fox & Jason Robertson hit the NHL for Dougie Hamilton

I did that in real life I would be living in Ecuador right now without internet access

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I mean, if you want to put together a World Series contender without worry about payroll or the future of the franchise Dombrowski is the best guy for the job.

I just think "sign the biggest free agents and trade all your prospects" is something a lot of people could do well but for obvious reasons can't or won't.

"trade all your prospects"...uh huh, how again did he leave Bloom a roster with 26 yr old Betts, 26 yr old Bogaerts, 24 yr old Benintendi and 22 yr old Devers? Oh, and a prospect pool with Casas, Chavis, Dalbec, Houck, Hernandez.

The horror...

 

[EverettMike]

"trade all your prospects"...uh huh, how again did he leave Bloom a roster with 26 yr old Betts, 26 yr old Bogaerts, 24 yr old Benintendi and 22 yr old Devers? Oh, and a prospect pool with Casas, Chavis, Dalbec, Houck, Hernandez.

The horror...

Uh, cause he knew those guys were the real deal and about to be major contributors to his MLB team? Dude, I literally gave him credit for knowing which prospects to move in this thread like five posts ago. Not the "gotcha" you thought it was in your head, but always good to try!

 

[GatorMike]

Oh, and a prospect pool with Casas, Chavis, Dalbec, Houck, Hernandez.

Other than Casas and maybe Houck, I'm not sure this is quite the flex you think it is.

Again, Dombrowski is who he is. He's a big market GM who specializes in opening an immediate window of opportunity for his franchise. In order to create that window, he mortgages a bit of the future. It worked out spectacularly well in Boston in 2018. It didn't work out well in Detroit, and I would have some concerns if I were a Phillies fan given the years and money committed to players on the wrong side of age 30.

 

[Fenway]

 

[Lobster57]

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condolences

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

I found it strange when I heard the A's were leaving Oakland. I know I haven't really followed baseball much in the past 10 years but I always thought of the Oakland Athletics as a big name team.

 

[Lobster57]

I found it strange when I heard the A's were leaving Oakland. I know I haven't really followed baseball much in the past 10 years but I always thought of the Oakland Athletics as a big name team.

They're a pretty historically prominent team, but they've been a low budget team in a small market in an ooolllldddd and terrrriiiibbbblllleee stadium for a long time. I haven't followed the situation at all, but the city wouldn't help the Raiders build a new stadium so i'm sure they weren't going to help the A's. Once the Raiders left it was pretty inevitable that the A's would too

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Anyone know which non-starter is starting tonight for Sox?

 

[McGarnagle]

Like most relocations it's primarily a standoff between the city and ownership over a stadium. Really the turning point was the fall of 1995 when two things happened simultaneously: 1. The Raiders came back in 1995 and built Mount Davis, which closed off the outfield section of what was then a decent baseball park, turning it into a cavern they could never fill and increased upkeep costs and 2. Walter Haas died and his kids sold the team to Schott, who had tighter pursestrings.

Having a more stingy ownership group plus a stadium that was getting run down fast plus worsening economic situation in Oakland (a good amount of the industries Oakland had crossed the bay to SF or San Jose during the 2000s). Really, they would've been done and moved out of there by about 2002 had they and the Raiders not had the on-field success they did at the same time. Billy Beane's forward-thinking management probably gave Oakland 20 years longer than they normally would've. But once the rest of the league caught up to Beane in terms of using analytics and once they cracked down on steroids, the A's no longer could keep up with everyone. Schott got out at that point too and sold the team to Fisher, who has been grifting off the MLB CBA's bullshit revenue sharing. And once Beane stepped away from day-to-day operations altogether, there was no saving them on-field or off.

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

They're a pretty historically prominent team, but they've been a low budget team in a small market in an ooolllldddd and terrrriiiibbbblllleee stadium for a long time. I haven't followed the situation at all, but the city wouldn't help the Raiders build a new stadium so i'm sure they weren't going to help the A's. Once the Raiders left it was pretty inevitable that the A's would too

Gotcha. I've flown in and out of Oakland for work a few times (between 2017-2021) just because I found it more convenient than San fran but I don't once remember hearing anything A's related. Never thought about it at the time but it's interesting thinking back.

 

[Smitty93]

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:waives from the other side of the bay:

I'm out here for the summer and decided not to take the trek over to Oakland this week, but I've got tickets when they're back in SF next week. I'd love to ask the schedule maker why they had them travel all the way out here, only to go back to Boston for a week, and then fly back out. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

 

[Fenway]

Crew attacks takeout

 

[Fenway]

:waives from the other side of the bay:

I'm out here for the summer and decided not to take the trek over to Oakland this week, but I've got tickets when they're back in SF next week. I'd love to ask the schedule maker why they had them travel all the way out here, only to go back to Boston for a week, and then fly back out. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

I had forgotten how 'quiet' the Bart Transbay Tube is

 

[Johnnyduke]

The Red Sox needed a "reset" because John Henry said so. Considering how we are middle of the road for payroll, ok fine Dombrowski is probably not the guy for that. But it was John Henry who woke up one day and came to the conclusion he didn't want to spend like a top 5 spender anymore. If he stayed committed to that way of running the team Dombrowski could still be here.

 

[Johnnyduke]

Nah.

Dave Dombrowski did what he was hired to do, and he did it well.

I don't believe for a second that he was the right guy to fix his own mess moving forward, though.

You're projecting a mess. Dombrowski was fired when they were 76–67 the season after winning the WS with a record setting team. It was an absurd firing. But it's evident now that it was done because John Henry no longer wanted to spend like that.

And now we're supposed to be excited over being 50-44 and in last place during year 4 of Boy Wonder's tenure (I should at least mention that at 50-44 and in contention Bloom has met my expectations for this year if they stay in the hunt till end of the season).

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

Crew attacks takeout

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Overrated!

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

Red Sox executive explains why Brayan Bello is 'a special case' for early extension

Brayan Bello has impressed on the mound this season for the Red Sox. Could an extension be on the horizon?

www.masslive.com

 

[CDJ]

Anyone know which non-starter is starting tonight for Sox?

Bernardino opens, Pivetta follows

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Bernardino opens, Pivetta follows

Thanks!

 

[smithformeragent]

Crew attacks takeout

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NEAR the In And Out Burger.

 

[Johnnyduke]

I would also imagine that Dombrowski is a lock for the hall of fame. He managed in Montreal, Detroit and Florida. Maybe he had some high payrolls over the years but it's not like he was GM of the Red Sox/Yankees for 25 years. Everyone has a giant pants tent for Andrew Friedman but the Dodgers had highest payroll from 2020-2022 and currently sit at 5th highest.

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

Ha, where'd the 'door to your left' and the 'well im not afraid of heights or anything' talk refer to? I know they were talking about the possum but doesn't really relate to the heights comment.