No, the fact was referring his career record without brady. It is a fact. Not hypothetical.
If only one of them could win a superbowl without the other.
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Donnie Shulzhoffer
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2008 with Matt Cassell says hey
The irony of this is awhile back you would flood this place with Manning better than Brady when he went to Denver
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Maybe next year.
Belichick having the most losses in nfl history might be one of the dumbest criticisms of Belichick i have ever heard.
Atlanta, Dallas and the Chargers would all be stupid to not fire their coach for Belichick. I'm not going to say the Cowboys or Chargers would win the super bowl if they just hire Belichick but they have a way better chance of doing it with him than McCarthy or Staley.
Defense is still his strength and when you remove the 30 points Mac Jones is responsible for giving the other team the Patriots are ranked 14th in opponents ppg. 14th best defense despite losing the two best players on it in week 4 and having injuries before week 1 started. The defense are also out there more than they should be because the offense can't stay on the field.
Atlanta, Dallas and the Chargers would all be stupid to not fire their coach for Belichick. I'm not going to say the Cowboys or Chargers would win the super bowl if they just hire Belichick but they have a way better chance of doing it with him than McCarthy or Staley.
What was their record the year before with the same team?
Bill has a losing record and 1 total playoff win in his entire career sans Brady. Brady won a SB without Bill. This debate has been over for awhile.
And I did no such thing. Your memory is waaaay off there.
I'm having a tough time turning it into a compliment.
Great defensive coordinator....like I said earlier. Head coach and GM? VERY different story.
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1 Super Bowl with a loaded team who only needed a qb is a pretty weak argument when they won 6 together
Agholor flipping into the endzone. Where does the troll job to the Patriots end?...
Brady?
Conspiracies going through my mind.
Brady?
Conspiracies going through my mind.
You don't win 6 super bowls as a head coach if you aren't great at it! Brady is the greatest qb of all time but he wasn't so much better than Peyton, Rodgers and Brees that he won more rings than the three together did.
Belichick the gm has serious flaws but that's the only criticism that's deserved. Even then the biggest problem with the Patriots isn't Belichick the coach or Belichick the gm. It's the awful qb that makes almost everyone they give him to catch passes worse and were basically forced to pick whether Belichick wanted him or not. If Belichick gets to pick the perfect spot like Brady did, his team will be a super bowl contender.
Belichick the gm has serious flaws but that's the only criticism that's deserved. Even then the biggest problem with the Patriots isn't Belichick the coach or Belichick the gm. It's the awful qb that makes almost everyone they give him to catch passes worse and were basically forced to pick whether Belichick wanted him or not. If Belichick gets to pick the perfect spot like Brady did, his team will be a super bowl contender.
He suddenly learned how to catch a ball with his hands this year.
I foe one, am shocked.
That late game fumble last season against the Ravens costed the Patriots a playoff spot.
Not like it would have mattered, but. . . Lol idk anymore.
We're still pretending that agholor didn't have 900 yds and 8 TDs right before coming to New England? That he just always sucked and it had nothing to do with mac jones?
Mac Island is really resembling the island from Castaway at this point. Eventually tom hanks will get courageous enough to leave.
Mac Island is really resembling the island from Castaway at this point. Eventually tom hanks will get courageous enough to leave.
Donnie Shulzhoffer
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No one is saying this in here and no one in here is defending Mac Jones.
Strawman 101
And who built that team that lost the Super Bowl?
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And who coached it? Bill had some great years, people now saying different are revising history. Yes, Bill hasn't been good here for a while and he's absolutely earned the criticism - but come on..
Having the most losses in NFL history is meaningless. It just means that you coached a long time. You could make an argument that most wins is also a bit overrated. Perhaps the better stat to use would be winning percentage. I believe Jerry York has the most wins and most losses in NCAA hockey history. Guy is a legend with 5 national titles across two different schools. So ya, most losses means absolutely nothing. Don't make me defend Bill like this. With that said, Brady obviously more important to the dynasty than Bill but I won't try to put a percentage on it.
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Chargers would be perfect for Bill. He has a QB who can make the throw he can coach up. Instant SB contenders
Lol. Not sure how you missed all 462 posts they have made, but there has been AT LEAST one poster here constantly blaming everyone but mac. It's not even close to a strawman argument.
Literally nobody is saying he hasn't had great years. Nobody. Now THAT is a straw man, donnie (not that you posted it, but you liked it).
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Anything and everything can not be blamed on Jones either. After a decent season start, Agholor disappeared once again in Baltimore when the defence paid attention. Check last five games. One TD receptiion off a deflection can not pass the old smell test.
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Donnie Shulzhoffer
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1 out of 462 or whatever number you just made up. That is still the definition of strawman
No it isn't. Just on the last couple of pages there are multiple posters saying Bill is not that good. Including you.
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Therick67
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You said he was average as a coach and below as a GM. That simply isn't true overall.
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It is not the definition of strawman. The argument has literally been made here. I'm disagreeing with it. Strawman is arguing against a case nobody is making. I'm not doing that.
And I never said what you are claiming.
TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR, I'm not doing that either. There's plenty of blame to go around. I've ALWAYS been consistent with that.
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