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KrejciMVP

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Is there such a stat as an expected win rate in baseball? Just curious. Looking at run differential I see the Sox are at -1. That puts them at 16th out of 30 teams. Record is 33-34. These numbers all tell us this team is simply the definition of mediocre. A different manager maybe has them at 35-32. Maybe. Anyone wanting to blame Cora while at the same time absolving Bloom is whistling past the graveyard.

Oh and by the way, I checked a few sites for team payrolls. Remember the people crying about how the Red Sox are not cheap? Well every site I check has them at 13th-15th in payroll. When should the Boston Red Sox ever be that low in payroll?

Cora squeezing 33 wins out of this disaster Bloom and Henry put together is commendable.
 

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Cora squeezing 33 wins out of this disaster Bloom and Henry put together is commendable.

I think Cora - while not being perfect - is the least of their issues.

I am sympathetic to the idea to promote Cora to the management to replace Bloom, if he wants the job. Cora is a smart guy with lots of baseball knowledge and very respected around the league. Nothin indicates that he cannot be successful general manager. This is truly a position that really has a huge impact on the development of a franchise, not sitting in the dugout making moves that the computer has calculated.

It doesn't appear that the duo Cora-Bloom has a future, both don't seem to be on the same page.
 

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Where Cora's losing me is that his strength supposedly is his relationships with his players, how they all would run through a wall for him and is like a father figure to them - especially the Latin American players, but that doesn't seem to be getting the job done.

He had a special relationship with Xander, he walked in free agency anyway. Carlos Correa idolizes Alex as a Puerto Rican legend and has nothing but heaping praise for him, then Carlos Correa signed with three different teams during the free agency period, none of which were the Red Sox. I know manager isn't the sole deciding factor for free agents, there are a lot of things to consider (money being a huge one), but if Alex's paternal relationship with players can't bridge the gap enough to overcome other factors like years/money/city/roster, maybe we're overvaluing him as a manager, beause we can all see that in-game strategy is not his strong suit.
 
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I think Cora - while not being perfect - is the least of their issues.

I am sympathetic to the idea to promote Cora to the management to replace Bloom, if he wants the job. Cora is a smart guy with lots of baseball knowledge and very respected around the league. Nothin indicates that he cannot be successful general manager. This is truly a position that really has a huge impact on the development of a franchise, not sitting in the dugout making moves that the computer has calculated.

It doesn't appear that the duo Cora-Bloom has a future, both don't seem to be on the same page.
Bloom has no page on which someone can join him. His page includes his shrine to Yu Chang.
 

Mr Cartmenez

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maybe we're overvaluing him as a manager, beause we can all see that in-game strategy is not his strong suit.

Name me one manager that didn't get crucified for his (bad) in-game management by the fanbase?
Terry Francona was constantly called "Coma" during this time here, because of his (mis)management of the bullpen. Joe Torre got called Clueless Joe despite leading a Yankees team to a dynasty run.
And by the way the same is pretty much true for our former Bruins-coach who is about to win the cup the year after he got fired.
 

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I think Cora - while not being perfect - is the least of their issues.

I am sympathetic to the idea to promote Cora to the management to replace Bloom, if he wants the job. Cora is a smart guy with lots of baseball knowledge and very respected around the league. Nothin indicates that he cannot be successful general manager. This is truly a position that really has a huge impact on the development of a franchise, not sitting in the dugout making moves that the computer has calculated.

It doesn't appear that the duo Cora-Bloom has a future, both don't seem to be on the same page.

What evidence is there he can be successful with zero front office experience? That's a massive job.
 
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The role of baseball manager has been severely marginalized. At least in the regular season. Most if not all these guys are doing what the computers say to do because that's how the Ivy educated GMs view the game. It's also an easy out for managers to be able to say "that's what the data says we should have done".

I don't think any teams win or lose because of the manager. Not over 162 anyway.
 

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Last night was the final straw for Cora defensively, he’s learning!!!

Kikè is no longer the starting SS. He is back to his utility role. There is also going to be more of a split going forward at 1B with Casas and Turner. May even play Turner there more.

Pablo Reyes at SS, Turner at 1B tonight. Only bad defender in the infield is Raffy today! Yay!

 
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Is Varitek next in line for the Sox if Cora is canned?

Last night was the final straw for Cora defensively, he’s learning!!!

Kikè is no longer the starting SS. He is back to his utility role. There is also going to be more of a split going forward at 1B with Casas and Turner. May even play Turner there more.

Pablo Reyes at SS, Turner at 1B tonight. Only bad defender in the infield is Raffy today! Yay!



Hallelujah. Only Took Cora 14 errors to do so!
 
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Johnnyduke

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Last night was the final straw for Cora defensively, he’s learning!!!

Kikè is no longer the starting SS. He is back to his utility role. There is also going to be more of a split going forward at 1B with Casas and Turner. May even play Turner there more.

Pablo Reyes at SS, Turner at 1B tonight. Only bad defender in the infield is Raffy today! Yay!


So if almost every infielder option is bad defensively how is that Cora's fault? They could have kept Hosmer as I said before the season and Casas at DH. Casas at 1B was no doubt an organizational decision. Bloom put together a very flawed defensive team. Who the hell is Pablo Reyes?
 

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So if almost every infielder option is bad defensively how is that Cora's fault? They could have kept Hosmer as I said before the season and Casas at DH. Casas at 1B was no doubt an organizational decision. Bloom put together a very flawed defensive team. Who the hell is Pablo Reyes?

Lmao!!!!! Admitting to not watching the Sox, JP. Not a great look.

Also, he has you on ignore. You can stop responding to him. :laugh:
 

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What evidence is there he can be successful with zero front office experience? That's a massive job.

Ok, I exaggerated the point. Of course there is always a risk involved, even with the most experienced GMs may not work out long term. But before I'd hire another assistant GM who may just happen to be in the right spot at the right time (as it appears was the case with Bloom), I'd like them to seriously consider Cora - who have known the organization for a long time - for the job. Cora then could pick someone with whom he already has a good relationship with as his successor. I'd assume that's gotta be Varitek.
 

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Lmao!!!!! Admitting to not watching the Sox, JP. Not a great look.

Also, he has you on ignore. You can stop responding to him. :laugh:
I can highlight any post I want. Thanks. You on the other hand allegedly had me on ignore but you can't help yourself.

Trying to poke fun at somebody for not knowing who the hell Pablo Reyes is? Gold. Pure gold. We can't all be perfect fans like you.
 
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JT Miller was to be traded by the Vancouver Canucks to the Pittsburgh Penguins at the trade deadline. (Bad news for Panthers)

Miller is from nearby Pittsburgh and would have loved to play near home.

Cap was met by Pittsburgh and Ron Hextall and Brian Burke notified ownership (FSG)

Fenway Sports Group owner of Red Sox and Penguins said not a good business move and deal died

These are your Red Sox owners now and why you get Kluber instead of Wacha and or Eovoldi

Penguins hired an analytics guy in Dubos like Bloom

Sox deserve this shit show

Tom Werner hands seem to me all over this
 

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The errors this team has fielded are mental. Heck, my nephew's LL team plays better fundamentally than the Sox do. Same when I played.

Kiké is better than this. So are many of our infielders. I don't understand it. Truly.

They need an off day to turn into a work day and field infield drills all day.
 

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Ok, I exaggerated the point. Of course there is always a risk involved, even with the most experienced GMs may not work out long term. But before I'd hire another assistant GM who may just happen to be in the right spot at the right time (as it appears was the case with Bloom), I'd like them to seriously consider Cora - who have known the organization for a long time - for the job. Cora then could pick someone with whom he already has a good relationship with as his successor. I'd assume that's gotta be Varitek.

I can honestly say there's not a single person in baseball I would hire as GM if they had zero front office experience. It's not basketball or hockey. With also overseeing the minor league and international stuff it's a massive massive job.
 

BruinsFanSince94

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Raffy should take notes right there. That’s how you clear the bases.

I can highlight any post I want. Thanks. You on the other hand allegedly had me on ignore but you can't help yourself.

Trying to poke fun at somebody for not knowing who the hell Pablo Reyes is? Gold. Pure gold. We can't all be perfect fans like you.

Bad car wreck. I can sense it, JP.
 
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