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Took a 91 mph fastball down the middle for strike 3
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quietbruinfan
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Finally situational hitting. Nobody swinging for the fences. More hitting like that please. Lots of working the count.
That was a good inning.
That was a good inning.
I can't stand the upper management and I keep finding myself half rooting against them. It's kind of strange.
GatorMike
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Great outing from Paxton. He is one intense guy. Clearly out of place with this team.
Casas up to .199 now. Could he be turning the corner? Nice 400 foot single thanks to Turner's horrible base running.
Kike now has more RBI's than Verdugo.
Did Cora want to lose that game, or did he fall asleep with Martin on the mound in the 8th?
Casas up to .199 now. Could he be turning the corner? Nice 400 foot single thanks to Turner's horrible base running.
Kike now has more RBI's than Verdugo.
Did Cora want to lose that game, or did he fall asleep with Martin on the mound in the 8th?
BruinsFanSince94
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That pesky Paxton pitching well! God damn it. Lmaoooooooooo
Great start from him, especially with the rough first. Settled in and have the Sox what they needed.
Great start from him, especially with the rough first. Settled in and have the Sox what they needed.
I am not mad about Paxton pitching well. I just wish it meant more for this mid team. If he keeps it up then he might be a good piece to sell once this team bottoms out. So I am absolutely rooting for him to succeed. I just don't think it will last.
GatorMike
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Depends on the circumstances.
Last season, Tampa won the 3rd Wild Card spot with 86 wins. This year, the Yankees are in the 3rd Wild Card spot, and they're on pace to win 95 games.
At the deadline last year, Fangraphs gave the Red Sox something like a 20% chance to make the playoffs. This year, they're already down to 13%, with what I think is a better team.
There's a decent chance that Bloom could get to the trade deadline with a team that's on pace to win roughly 85 games, but still has less than a 10% chance to make the playoffs. I'm not sure that's worthy of being fired, and I'm not sure I could blame him if he decides to sell at that point.
For me it is because I think the expectation in year 4 should be a playoff contending team. Not a see what happens maybe we sell, maybe we don't do anything finger in the air type team. So if they continue on as a .500 team till the deadline and beyond he should be a dead man walking anyway.
GatorMike
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I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong for feeling that way.
From my perspective, I would say that I think Bloom inherited a more difficult job than perhaps you give him credit for.
I don't know that he was told to trade Mookie Betts, but I do think that he was told that they weren't likely to re-sign him before he got to Free Agency.
Yes, they had a $240 million payroll, but something like 1/3rd of it was allocated to David Price, Chris Sale, and Nathan Eovaldi -- aging starting pitchers with significant injury histories.
They had virtually nothing in terms of significant prospects in Greenville, Portland, or Worcester/Pawtucket.
They had likely peeked as an organization in 2018. On his podcast after the Betts trade, Buster Olney talked about a conversation he had with a member of the front office in 2019 where they admitted that it was great that 2018 was such a banner year because they knew they were in serious trouble in 2020 and possibly for some time beyond.
They probably should have had something of a fire sale in 2020, but I doubt ownership would have allowed that.
They're basically trying to do what the Bruins have done over the past several years, which is rebuild on the fly. It's one of the most difficult tasks in all of sports. It hasn't always gone smoothly, and it's been complicated by playing in the most competitive division in all of sports. In general, I think they're making progress. Probably not as much progress as quickly as we'd all like, but I still think things are generally headed in the right direction.
McGarnagle
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It's tricky because they're pretty much at the mercy of things outside of their control. Mainly that the rest of the AL East is hitting organizational peaks so despite having what objectively is a pretty good but flawed ballclub and an over-.500 record, they find themselves in last place and 12 games behind the leader, who happen to be the best team in baseball. But they'd be tied for the lead in the central and in the NL would be only a game out of a WC.
I know people will counter argue that expectations should have them contending in the AL East regardless and put a bare minimum of 95 wins or something, but I do think it's fair to point out that if they were in any other division there would be fewer dark clouds in the fanbase and media.
I do think Bloom has made some mistakes along the way - not trading Xander and JD to reset the luxury tax at the deadline last year when they didn't plan to make a serious pitch to retain either is inexcusable, actually I'd call it a colossal f***-up. And he's relied too much on building a rotation of injury prone older pitchers (ironically he actually lets Eovaldi and Wacha walk for that reason and both those guys are having resurgences), but if we're being totally fair you have to admit that the Sox have got some pretty bad breaks when it comes to health in the lineup the last couple years - most of the team got injured at some point last year, this year going into the season without Story, with Duvall getting hurt early, etc. Every team has to face injuries and should plan around that, but I do think the Sox have had it disproportionately bad in that regard over the last two seasons.
I'm not going to blindly support him and do the Trust the Process shit. He's slowly rebuilding the farm system that had been drained by Dombrowski and the scouting department before him (to be fair, Dombrowski didn't actually trade any prospects that actually turned into anything great but the scouting department really hadn't drafted well in the years leading up to Dave's firing). They're in a better position for the long-term future than they were 3 years ago, but the vision of forward-thinking front office building the Dodgers East model has not come to pass. Although he does seem to like signing Dodger players - ironic that 5 years on we have only one member of the 2018 championship team left, but 4 members of the 2018 Dodgers on the current roster. I'm not sure how long I give Bloom to keep running the show. I see a lot of good in what he's done, but also some big missteps. But again, I know it's a cope but they're in the toughest division in the league and if there's a fully balanced schedule or you just discount their 1-7 record against the f***ing powerhouse Rays, they're in a wildcard spot.
In some ways, I've always felt that the worst thing that could've happened to Bloom was the Sox overshooting all expectations and going on that ALCS run in 2021, because that set the expectations for the future when they were in the middle of a retooling process that by necessity would have some down years.
Major League Baseball has decided to postpone Wednesday (June 7) night's games at Yankee Stadium and Citizens Bank Park due to air quality issues brought on by dangerous smoke from Canadian wildfires present in both New York City and Philadelphia, the New York and Philadelphia Phillies both confirmed in separate statements shared on their social media accounts.
"Tonight’s Yankees-White Sox game (Wednesday, June 7) is rescheduled because of poor air quality due to smoke from the Canadian wildfires and will be made up tomorrow, Thursday, June 8, as the first game of a single-admission doubleheader, which will begin at 4:05p.m.," the Yankees tweeted.
"Tonight’s game between the Phillies and the Detroit Tigers has been rescheduled due to the air quality in the Philadelphia area. The game will be made up on Thursday, June 8, at 6:05 p.m.," the Phillies wrote.
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I also think that once everyone is healthy, if they can't pull the nose up a little and at least be a more competitive ballclub rather than mediocre, I would clean house of the coaching staff.
That doesn't necessarily mean I fire Alex - I'm kind of on the fence about that - but the rest of the bench, the Dave Bushes and Peter Fatses and their respective assistants need to go. Training staff needs to be overhauled as well given the amount of injuries the team has faced the last few years.
With Cora, I see he's great with players, especially the young ones and the Latin ones, but his decision-making has been questionable, especially when it comes to lineup building and pitching decisions. I think we're at a pivotal stage for him where depending on the way things play out this year, we'll have a better sense of whether he's the wunderkind long-term elite MLB manager he appeared to be in 2018 or whether that was a flash in the pan that had a short shelf life (and of course that narrative in the national media would go back to the whole cheating scandal crap which was unfair to the 2018 Sox who didn't profit from any of that and whose participation in related activities was largely debunked). I think Cora has the chance and the rope to turn it around, but a clock is ticking if he doesn't get it together. Still, nothing that Bush or Fatse have done the last 2 years has given me any confidence in them.
That doesn't necessarily mean I fire Alex - I'm kind of on the fence about that - but the rest of the bench, the Dave Bushes and Peter Fatses and their respective assistants need to go. Training staff needs to be overhauled as well given the amount of injuries the team has faced the last few years.
With Cora, I see he's great with players, especially the young ones and the Latin ones, but his decision-making has been questionable, especially when it comes to lineup building and pitching decisions. I think we're at a pivotal stage for him where depending on the way things play out this year, we'll have a better sense of whether he's the wunderkind long-term elite MLB manager he appeared to be in 2018 or whether that was a flash in the pan that had a short shelf life (and of course that narrative in the national media would go back to the whole cheating scandal crap which was unfair to the 2018 Sox who didn't profit from any of that and whose participation in related activities was largely debunked). I think Cora has the chance and the rope to turn it around, but a clock is ticking if he doesn't get it together. Still, nothing that Bush or Fatse have done the last 2 years has given me any confidence in them.
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‘Good chance’ Red Sox starter Thursday is someone not on 40-man roster
The Red Sox starter Thursday likely will be someone not on the 40-man roster. Who are the candidates?
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GatorMike
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BruinsFanSince94
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This defense is putrid.
Why is Cora pulling Crawford in the 4th inning when none of this is his fault?
Why is Cora pulling Crawford in the 4th inning when none of this is his fault?
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3 errors this half inning after the Guardians had 2 last half. A race to the bottom folks
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