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In regard to stolen bases, if you throw over to first with one second left on clock does it get reset? And you're only allowed a couple throw overs per AB? I don't need stolen bases becoming an automatic so I am curious to see how this develops over the season.
 
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In regard to stolen bases, if you throw over to first with one second left on clock does it get reset? And you're only allowed a couple throw overs per AB? I don't need stolen bases becoming an automatic so I am curious to see how this develops over the season.
1. Yes, the clock resets as soon as the pitcher receives the ball back from the infielder. However I'm not sure what happens if a pitcher disengages from the rubber but doesn't throw the ball......I'd assume it resets there as well, otherwise there's no point in stepping off and not throwing, but am not 100% sure on that.

2. Not quite. Pitchers are allowed to "disengage" from the rubber up to 3 times per at bat with a runner on base. They can step off and not throw or throw to a base and both count as a "disengagement". If a runner advances during the at bat, then the count resets back to 3. If the 3rd disengagement doesn't result in an out (ie: a successful pick off) then the pitcher is charged with a balk.

3. With the rule changes last year in the minor leagues, steal attempts went up about 0.5 attempts per game, and steal success rate went up +9%.
 
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1. Yes, the clock resets as soon as the pitcher receives the ball back from the infielder. However I'm not sure what happens if a pitcher disengages from the rubber but doesn't throw the ball......I'd assume it resets there as well, otherwise there's no point in stepping off and not throwing, but am not 100% sure on that.

2. Not quite. Pitchers are allowed to "disengage" from the rubber up to 3 times per at bat with a runner on base. They can step off and not throw or throw to a base and both count as a "disengagement". If a runner advances during the at bat, then the count resets back to 3. If the 3rd disengagement doesn't result in an out (ie: a successful pick off) then the pitcher is charged with a balk.

3. With the rule changes last year in the minor leagues, steal attempts went up about 0.5 attempts per game, and steal success rate went up +9%.
Do you know of any "tricks" that were picked up in the minors to skirt the new rules? I'd imagine someone will discover some type of loophole but if it was already implemented in the minors than maybe not.
 

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Do you know of any "tricks" that were picked up in the minors to skirt the new rules? I'd imagine someone will discover some type of loophole but if it was already implemented in the minors than maybe not.
One thing I think you might see more of is catchers throwing to first base on a pickoff play, instead of pitchers. It saves the pitcher from using a disengagement, and it also buys the pitcher a little bit more time in between pitches, if they need it.

I also think you are going to see pitchers try to increase their tempo. Cole did it very effectively last week for the Yankees. Historically pitchers, not hitters, have been the main cause of slow at bats. We are taught that from an early age:......slow the game down, make the hitter wait for you, make him uncomfortable waiting in the box, etc. I think you'll start seeing the exact opposite in pitching strategy moving forward........Make the hitter hurry up, don't let him get comfortable, don't give him too much time to think about what the next pitch will be. Unlike the past, I think you are going to see pitchers actively TRYING to push the pace to their advantage moving forward, rather than slowing it down.

It'll be interesting to see....
 
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So if you make three unsuccessful pickoff throws to first, the runner can basically take a walking lead halfway to second on the next pitch and the pitcher can't do a thing about it or he'll get a balk?
 

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So if you make three unsuccessful pickoff throws to first, the runner can basically take a walking lead halfway to second on the next pitch and the pitcher can't do a thing about it or he'll get a balk?
Actually, its 2. A pitcher gets 2 unsuccessful tries with no penalty, and if you don't get him on the 3rd try, its a balk.

So yes, if you are a runner, and you've already had 2 disengagements, you have an advantage of taking a bigger lead, but to say you can take a walking lead halfway to second base is a stretch. The pitcher still has that 3rd attempt, he just needs to be sure he can get you....That's why most pitchers aren't stepping off or throwing to a base more than once in an at-bat. After that second try, the runner has the advantage of taking a more aggressive lead off.

Most pitchers have a couple of different moves to throw to a base. Usually you had your 1) soft toss to first to let the runner know you are watching him, 2) the 80% percent move to fool a runner into thinking that's your best move to a base, and 3) your legit pickoff move where you are trying to get an out.

A lot of pitchers used to waste a throw to a base to show a runner #1 and/or #2 to give him a false sense of security that he can read you. Then you hit 'em with #3 and try to catch them leaning. Now if you do that, you risk a balk. However the flip side of that is that a runner who's got 2 disengagements, may be lulled into a false sense of security. So when you hit 'em with #3, it actually might be MORE effective than before, provided you have the guts to throw it on that 3rd try.
 
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Manny Machado got a third strike called on a pitch clock violation then got ejected after having a meltdown over it lmaoooooooo

San Diego replaced him with Nelson Cruz who is still playing at about 64 years old and just hit a Cruz Missile.
 

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They know how to manufacture runs and put up good AB’s. Very refreshing after all the empty AB’s last year

They let the free swingers sans Devers go and added grinders
With the shift ban and bigger bases do you think they're seeing more value in guys who put the ball in play?

It's still early of course, lots of things could change, but I've been saying all winter long that I actually like the lineup Chaim put together. If Trevor Story were healthy they'd be among the league's top echelon. I definitely understand why some people were pessimistic about the state of the franchise in general, but I couldn't do anything but shake my head when all the Bloom Doomers were trying to act like the lineup was going to be worse. Like did you people remember the lineups last July with Duran, Refsnyder, Franchy, Dalbec, JBJ, Yolmer Sanchez all starting? Come on, man

Dropped third strike and a 2 run johnson. This team is its own worst enemy so far this season.
 
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With the shift ban and bigger bases do you think they're seeing more value in guys who put the ball in play?

It's still early of course, lots of things could change, but I've been saying all winter long that I actually like the lineup Chaim put together. If Trevor Story were healthy they'd be among the league's top echelon. I definitely understand why some people were pessimistic about the state of the franchise in general, but I couldn't do anything but shake my head when all the Bloom Doomers were trying to act like the lineup was going to be worse. Like did you people remember the lineups last July with Duran, Refsnyder, Franchy, Dalbec, JBJ, Yolmer Sanchez all starting? Come on, man

Dropped third strike and a 2 run johnson. This team is its own worst enemy so far this season.
Yeah tons of free outs last year, particularly towards the bottom of the order and in the leadoff hole


That passed ball by McGuire HURTS. Pivetta looks good too imo. Unfortunate
 
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