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Celtics/NBA 2023 Playoffs Round 3 - Back to South Beach

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The same core does the same thing over and over again, I think blaming the coach for something that’s happened with the last 3 coaches is lazy

Their #2 ALL NBA player was significantly worse than Caleb Martin, start there!
 
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CDJ said:
The same core does the same thing over and over again, I think blaming the coach for something that’s happened with the last 3 coaches is lazy

Their #2 ALL NBA player was significantly worse than Caleb Martin, start there!
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Switch coaches and what's the current status of the series?
 
EverettMike said:
Switch coaches and what's the current status of the series?
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Probably the same, they did the same things late under both previous coaches

*maybe* game 1 is different, and that’s assuming a TO in the 3rd would’ve stopped an avalanche

they’re just playing better than the Celtics are, the Celtics haven’t deserved either game imo
 
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CDJ said:
Probably the same, they did the same things late under both previous coaches

*maybe* game 1 is different, and that’s assuming a TO in the 3rd would’ve stopped an avalanche

they’re just playing better than the Celtics are, the Celtics haven’t deserved either game imo
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Starting to think you're related to Joe Mazzula.
 
EverettMike said:
Starting to think you're related to Joe Mazzula.
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Meh I just think it’s a lazy scapegoat when they’ve done the same things late in games for like 4 years now. It ain’t a small sample size with this team.

It’s not like Mazzulla got here and they started melting down late in games. That was always a bug in the software. At some point we have to stop pointing blame at the coaching for this group
 
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Meh I just think it’s a lazy scapegoat when they’ve done the same things late in games for like 4 years now. It ain’t a small sample size with this team.

It’s not like Mazzulla got here and they started melting down late in games. That was always a bug in the software. At some point we have to stop pointing blame at the coaching for this group
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so a coach who could get them to stop doing the same thing would be great.

Mazulla ain’t it apparently. In fact the late collapses/inability to close might be worse under him.
 
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Were your fears confirmed when she started singing "Hey, I don't know bout you, but I'm feeling 0 and 2"?
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She sang it while they were still playing. I believe we had a lead. Next time I checked the score was in the 4th and I audibly went "oh f***ing course!"
 
BostonBob said:
Unlike a lot of people here Vegas has not given up on the Celtics just yet:

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Based on what I know about this team they will easily win Game 3, then blow a 15-point fourth quarter lead in Game 4 after Joe Mazzula decides to play with just four guys down the stretch.

Mazzula will explain his decision after by saying, "It was a big team building moment for Norman Dale and I thought it would help us later in the series."
 
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EverettMike said:
Starting to think you're related to Joe Mazzula.
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He's not wrong, though. It is a common belief that NBA coaches don't have much influence on the games at all, isn't it? They need to do fundamental stuff such as moderating and keeping the the locker room in check. Does anyone think Lebron listened to Vogel or Lue on the court?

What the Celtics are experiencing isn't anything that hasn't happened before under many other coaches like Stevens and Udoka. These "1 freakish quarter" has been a thing for many, many years (it's not a timeout thing). As much as turning the balls over late in the games and blowing big leads.
I don't know if it's the biggest issue, but after hearing how Smart speaks of himself, I really can't see this team winning a title with Marcus acting like their 2nd or 3rd best player on the team.

But in general: What if this core (JB and JT) are merely good enough to win only one title, but it doesn't happen for 2-3-4 more years?! Would that be a disappointing in retrospect? Probably, but some other superstars haven't fared much better. It took Dirk so long to win one, same as Garnett. It took Durant joining a 72 win team to win 2 titles.
Jokic isn't there, yet. Other recent MVPs such as Westbrook, Harden and Rose didn't come close.
Giannis and Kawhi (as the #1) needed fortunate events to occur.

And the Celtics don't even have an MVP on their team (yet).
 
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He's not wrong, though. It is a common belief that NBA coaches don't have much influence on the games at all, isn't it? They need to do fundamental stuff such as moderating and keeping the the locker room in check. Does anyone think Lebron listened to Vogel or Lue on the court?

What the Celtics are experiencing isn't anything that hasn't happened before under many other coaches like Stevens and Udoka. These "1 freakish quarter" has been a thing for many, many years (it's not a timeout thing). As much as turning the balls over late in the games and blowing big leads.
I don't know if it's the biggest issue, but after hearing how Smart speaks of himself, I really can't see this team winning a title with Marcus acting like their 2nd or 3rd best player on the team.

But in general: What if this core (JB and JT) are merely good enough to win only one title, but it doesn't happen for 2-3-4 more years?! Would that be a disappointing in retrospect? Probably, but some other superstars haven't fared much better. It took Dirk so long to win one, same as Garnett. It took Durant joining a 72 win team to win 2 titles.
Jokic isn't there, yet. Other recent MVPs such as Westbrook, Harden and Rose didn't come close.
Giannis and Kawhi (as the #1) needed fortunate events to occur.

And the Celtics don't even have an MVP on their team (yet).
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The question becomes if it is going to take 3-4 more years for this team to win a title, will these 2 All NBA players still be here.

It's going to be much harder to keep elite teams together, certainly compared to the Jordan years, or even the Lebron years

And assuming they stay, will anyone from the current roster still be here in 3 years? Brown's next contract will be just under 60 million a season, and Tatum's will get into the 63 mil a year range.
 


Nuggets-Heat finals is enough to puke in your mouth when you consider the Celtics "had to" fire Udoka, still were heavy favorites to beat Heat and wouldn't have to worry about LeBron. Just can't get it done.
 
ABC and the NBA were dreaming of a Celtics/Lakers Final
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Horford is probably gassed from going toe to toe with Embiid for 7 games. He’s 100 years old.

People hate on Grant for last game, but giving him and Robert Williams more minutes is the correct move going forward.
 
In game 3 for the Celtics Jaylen Brown can not continue to play so poorly and he and Tatum must work together to create points. Mazzulla must develop a game plan to make Tatum and Brown to work together scoring points not giveaways or losing the ball. Dribbling the ball through growds only to lose the ball doesn't work. Teamwork to win not be stars is important.
Don't buy into Grant Williams was the problem poking the bear. They would have found a way to lose anyways.
 
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