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Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk XI

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Blowfish said:
He did just fine game 3 playoffs didn't he? coach decided to change it up and things didnt go so well thereafter.
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Same happen to the flyers way back when. Lindros was out and the flyers were rolling with Peter White ands Mark Greig as their top 2 centers up 3 games to one and the coach screwed it all up and put Lindros back in the line-up and the Devils came back from 3-1 down. My point is I think its more of a team game and the team rallies around one another when a star is out and they usually perform above expectations and when that star comes back maybe there's a little drop in everyone's play.

In any event we shouldn't be banking on Zacha and Coyle to lead the Charge in the 2024 season, there's no replacing Bergeron and Krejci for that matter at least within the Bruins. Nothing against them, their NHL players and very good NHL players but neither is the type of player who's going to put the team on their back and carry them through some hard times and that's what you need out of your top players.

 
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Mainehockey33 said:
They’ve given Coyle plenty of opportunities to take the 2C but you’re right, he loses it every time. Haula is put on the second line and he’s around a PPG, last year it was Zacha that was the go to for 2C with Bergeron or Krejci out. Give Geekie those opportunities.
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Exactly. We've seen the movie with Coyle there too many times to buy into it actually working long term at this point. Time to move on in a different direction. Not that I think Geekie is the answer either, but at least it's a change. I fully expect it to be a complete shit show at the center position next season. LOL
 
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LSCII said:
Exactly. We've seen the movie with Coyle there too many times to buy into it actually working long term at this point. Time to move on in a different direction. Not that I think Geekie is the answer either, but at least it's a change. I fully expect it to be a complete shit show at the center position next season. LOL
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Im still waiting for the facts I requested...not seeing it anywhere?
 
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Blowfish said:
All about his role and coach deployment of players.

Give him pp time with the likes of Pasta, Debrusk, Marchand, McAvoy and top line minutes "for extended period of time" the points would be there.

I don't know...to me it's not rocket science. He was more valuable to the team "Bergeron era" playing defensive/checking role. Now it's his time to put up some points.


Like I said above...He plays pp and top line he gets the points and we can see the skills/puck possession/strength to create scoring opportunities.
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Is Coyle getting PP1 time over Zacha? Maybe due to FO%?
 
LSCII said:
Exactly. We've seen the movie with Coyle there too many times to buy into it actually working long term at this point. Time to move on in a different direction. Not that I think Geekie is the answer either, but at least it's a change. I fully expect it to be a complete shit show at the center position next season. LOL
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At least giving someone new those opportunities will be interesting. I’m all set watching Coyle pass up chances to either shoot or pass in the offensive zone.
 
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mar2kbos said:
What are you talking about, he was with the same people that Haula was with. They literally moved Haula up from third line to second line. No linemates we’re changed.
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See how far you have to scroll down to find a line with Coyle and Pastrnak on it together.
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Oates2Neely said:
Is Coyle getting PP1 time over Zacha? Maybe due to FO%?
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Like I said above pp1 or 2...whatever works best between the players.

We've highjacked the thread...back to the rumours.

This discussion should resurface in October...especially if Sweeney doesn't find another center.

LSCII said:
I must have missed your question. What was it? You know me, I'm more than happy to answer/offer up a counter point, if I can.
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lol. To better understand the Coyle had his chance I wanted to know exactly how many minutes he played 2nd line center, if he had pp time, and who his line-mates were at the time. So many factors to consider? For example, who was injured at the time? who did they play? etc...

At least I posted a relevant article where Coyle dominated a playoff game...
 
Yeti34 said:
This proves they played together and it didn’t work out. The exact opposite of what you were trying to prove.
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What? 43 minutes together? And you can see by the number of games that includes odds and ends when they ended up on the ice together after icings etc.

lopey said:
Coyle career is 3rd line numbers. I hope Monty gives Geekie 2nd line early in season. See what he can do there. With Coyle we have been there fine that already
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He was the 47th highest scoring center in the league last year.

And again, I want Coyle at 3C and think he will be there.
 
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MarchysNoseKnows said:
See how far you have to scroll down to find a line with Coyle and Pastrnak on it together.View attachment 731688
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43 minutes together...when the posters are saying he had a chance I guess they're technically right...

I dont think he's a top 6C, but he doesn't have to be if he's playing between Pasta and someone else, he just has to play his role.

If Hartman and Gaudreau can be successful in the middle with a guy like Kaprizov I dont see why Coyle can't be good between 2 solid wingers like Marchand and Debrusk or Pasta and whoever.
 
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Yeti34 said:
43 minutes is 2 games maybe a little more. They had some terrible stats during that time as well.
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I mean if you gave Marchand 2 games to start his career and came to any conclusion based that sample it would be insane. That's a very small amount of time for 3 guys to build some chemistry.
 
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NDiesel said:
43 minutes together...when the posters are saying he had a chance I guess they're technically right...

I dont think he's a top 6C, but he doesn't have to be if he's playing between Pasta and someone else, he just has to play his role.

If Hartman and Gaudreau can be successful in the middle with a guy like Kaprizov I dont see why Coyle can't be good between 2 solid wingers like Marchand and Debrusk or Pasta and whoever.
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Interesting ... 2 games isn't exactly a fair chance but the stats are brutal. Would love to know who played that game? Who was injured? Who did they play?

Them the facts...2 games. Can we put this to rest now?

Perhaps we should bring up the game 3 thread that night? LOL.
 
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NDiesel said:
I mean if you gave Marchand 2 games to start his career and came to any conclusion based that sample it would be insane. That's a very small amount of time for 3 guys to build some chemistry.
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I didn’t realize Coyle started his career in the 2021 season.

Jokes aside…He got a shot as a 2nd line center with at the time was a mixture of Hall-Debrusk-smith- and for a couple games pasta and didn’t do anything with it. Meanwhile Haula according to those that say he didn’t outplay Coyle somehow failed upwards and stuck with that 2nd line.

I don’t get the point of any of this discussion because I don’t see anyone here arguing Coyle is an ideal 2nd line center. He’s just what we got right now. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Coyle eventually made his way back to the third line as a shutdown center and Geekie took over as the #2
 
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Yeti34 said:
This proves they played together and it didn’t work out. The exact opposite of what you were trying to prove.
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Right? The fact that Haula line was top in minutes tells ya it worked better and they kept that line together. They saw enough of Coyle in those 43 minutes that they never put him back at second line center afterwards. He lost it to Haula. Point still stands.

And as it was mentioned this is the same season where Debrusk was on the bench and didn’t come back until after the new year and put on the top line. So the top line was the Perfection line for at least half the season which means Coyle second line was more when it was Hall Debrusk/Smith. So I guess Marchy is right he didn’t have Pasta as his second line winger because at that point he already lost it to Haula. Yet still Hall and Debrusk/Smith is not a shabby combination and it seemed Debrusk flourished on the top line, so was it his linemates the reason why he got benched. If we are doing the linemates blame game
 
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Blowfish said:
Like I said above pp1 or 2...whatever works best between the players.

We've highjacked the thread...back to the rumours.

This discussion should resurface in October...especially if Sweeney doesn't find another center.


lol. To better understand the Coyle had his chance I wanted to know exactly how many minutes he played 2nd line center, if he had pp time, and who his line-mates were at the time. So many factors to consider? For example, who was injured at the time? who did they play? etc...

At least I posted a relevant article where Coyle dominated a playoff game...
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Oh, sorry, I didn't respond to that because it was addressed by others in the thread. He started the season 2 years ago playing 2C with Hall and Smith. He had 14 points in 26ish games. He also had 1:40 in PP TOI that year. Not sure how it broke down specifically for his 2nd line play vs him on the 3rd line, but nearly 2 minutes a night of PP TOI is significant either way.

The key takeaway though is that when the change happened, Coyle had 14 points to Haula's 5. Then for the rest of the year Haula was there and while they ended with the same total points (44), Haula had more goals, won more at the dot, and all while playing two less minutes per night. Simply put, despite the incessant protests of the Sweeney apologists, Erik Haula outplayed Charlie Coyle in the 2C that season. Coyle was not nearly as effective. End of story.
 
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Yeti34 said:
I didn’t realize Coyle started his career in the 2021 season.

Jokes aside…He got a shot as a 2nd line center with at the time was a mixture of Hall-Debrusk-smith- and for a couple games pasta and didn’t do anything with it. Meanwhile Haula according to those that say he didn’t outplay Coyle somehow failed upwards and stuck with that 2nd line.

I don’t get the point of any of this discussion because I don’t see anyone here arguing Coyle is an ideal 2nd line center. He’s just what we got right now. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Coyle eventually made his way back to the third line as a shutdown center and Geekie took over as the #2
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I agree about this discussion being kinda pointless, been going on since last thread I believe. They are pretty much a wash skill wise, just depends if you'd rather a speedy guy like Haula or a possession guy like Coyle....they even both had pretty much identical stat lines this season playing on line 3.
 
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2023-2024 is shaping up to be a "This Old House" rerun. A one line team and then a bunch of "projects" all likely asked to produce above their weight class.

Reminds of the MOC and early Chia years in many way (on forward, not on D and G)... Sure the guys have come cheap to fill out the bottom 6 but there isn't a single guy there that isn't a legit question if either their were a one hit wonder or the wheels are going to fall off by game 40.

Greer, Megna, Brown, Bovquist, JVR, Lucic, Geekie... Last year in similar roles that was 45 goals of NHL production... That is crap for a bottom 6 production of a team that is hoping for a wildcard spot.

The Piper is calling in his due and hopefully they can restock the farm in a year or 2 because the MOC/Chia rerun of the McEachern, Yelle, Pelletier, Schaeffer, Reich, Bochenski, Bitz, Nokelainen "thing" is going to get old fast.
 
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mar2kbos said:
What are you talking about, he was with the same people that Haula was with. They literally moved Haula up from third line to second line. No linemates we’re changed.
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Wrong.

Coyle had Smith or Foligno on his RW.

Haula had Pastrnak.

Arguably the team's worst offensive player (Foligno) vs unquestionably the team's best (Pasta)

That's a MASSIVE difference
 
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