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Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk XI

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Coyle is not an ideal 1st line or 2nd line center. He’s 775-1 million overpaid third line center. In regards to PK minutes the 3rd line center should be one of the biggest contributors there.

That being said we can’t move him without giving up assets so we are stuck with him for the foreseeable future.
 
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I dont see any of the big names hitting FA next year outside of Lindholm (unless he's traded at the deadline or in season and signs like Horvat). Bruins dont have the assets to grab him unless a) they part with DeBrusk and b) he'd sign in CAL (I think he would). Below are the Centers that are UFA next year.
1) Matthews I highly doubt will go to UFA, who knows. He can hold the Leafs over a barrel and they'll do what he wants AAV/Term wise
2) Scheifele I would trade for this year, whats his next deal look like?
3) Lindholm is the interesting option going forward and now but I dont think he hits UFA, hes signed by the team that trades for him
4) Stephenson is an interesting option but VGK is willing to do what it takes to keep the players they want to keep. so I doubt he goes to UFA.
5) Domi would likely stay in Toronto

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Everyone else is middle six meh, a million years old or RFA. I think there is a reason they signed Geekie, Boqvist and Brown and are trying to resign Freddy vs have traded him. they probably see the center group as:
Zacha
Coyle
Geekie
Frederic

Heres to hoping no regressions and let the strength of their wingers keep them competitive. I think they are hoping one of Merkulov and Lyell make a strong push in camp and go with this.

Marchand - Coyle - DeBrusk/Lysell
Merkulov/DeBrusk - Zacha - Pastrnak
JVR - Geekie - Boqvist
Lucic - Frederic - Lauko


I would have to imagine Forbort gets demoted or traded so that they can resign Swayman and Freddy. Swayman is the most movable piece IMO. I dont see a fancy new 1C being traded for signed as a FA. IDK, they are likely looking at Zacha to make the jump to 70+ pts with PP1 time (I can see it too personally) and that Geekie can be diamond in the rough growth candidate but hes a bottom six guy, hoping he grows into 3C most likely which at 2 million would be great value.

This is a cap compliant 22 man roster with Freddy and Swayman signed.

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Patdud said:
I dont see any of the big names hitting FA next year outside of Lindholm (unless he's traded at the deadline or in season and signs like Horvat). Bruins dont have the assets to grab him unless a) they part with DeBrusk and b) he'd sign in CAL (I think he would). Below are the Centers that are UFA next year.
1) Matthews I highly doubt will go to UFA, who knows. He can hold the Leafs over a barrel and they'll do what he wants AAV/Term wise
2) Scheifele I would trade for this year, whats his next deal look like?
3) Lindholm is the interesting option going forward and now but I dont think he hits UFA, hes signed by the team that trades for him
4) Stephenson is an interesting option but VGK is willing to do what it takes to keep the players they want to keep. so I doubt he goes to UFA.
5) Domi would likely stay in Toronto

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Everyone else is middle six meh, a million years old or RFA. I think there is a reason they signed Geekie, Boqvist and Brown and are trying to resign Freddy vs have traded him. they probably see the center group as:
Zacha
Coyle
Geekie
Frederic

Heres to hoping no regressions and let the strength of their wingers keep them competitive. I think they are hoping one of Merkulov and Lyell make a strong push in camp and go with this.

Marchand - Coyle - DeBrusk/Lysell
Merkulov/DeBrusk - Zacha - Pastrnak
JVR - Geekie - Boqvist
Lucic - Frederic - Lauko


I would have to imagine Forbort gets demoted or traded so that they can resign Swayman and Freddy. Swayman is the most movable piece IMO. I dont see a fancy new 1C being traded for signed as a FA. IDK, they are likely looking at Zacha to make the jump to 70+ pts with PP1 time (I can see it too personally) and that Geekie can be diamond in the rough growth candidate but hes a bottom six guy, hoping he grows into 3C most likely which at 2 million would be great value.

This is a cap compliant 22 man roster with Freddy and Swayman signed.

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It’s amazing that we are cap strapped with 3 3rd line centers.
 
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Fenian24 said:
Serious question, Coyle has now been in the league 11 years, in that time he has scored 50 points once and has broken 20 goals once with 21, (both more than 7 years ago) why do you think that he has shown no offensive ability up to this point and it will just suddenly blossom at 31 years old and as an 11 year veteran? Did no other coach see offensive potential in him? How many 31 year old, 11 year veterans have career years at this point?
Because they are paying him like a tp 2 center does not make him one.
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I can't talk about his time with Minny. I'm going by what I've watched in his development and deployment.

Coyle is getting better with age and from playing with the likes of Bergeron. We can agree to disagree on this one but he will surprise some of you.

Of all the guys on this site complaining about Coyle you're the most surprising.
 
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Patdud said:
I dont see any of the big names hitting FA next year outside of Lindholm (unless he's traded at the deadline or in season and signs like Horvat). Bruins dont have the assets to grab him unless a) they part with DeBrusk and b) he'd sign in CAL (I think he would). Below are the Centers that are UFA next year.
1) Matthews I highly doubt will go to UFA, who knows. He can hold the Leafs over a barrel and they'll do what he wants AAV/Term wise
2) Scheifele I would trade for this year, whats his next deal look like?
3) Lindholm is the interesting option going forward and now but I dont think he hits UFA, hes signed by the team that trades for him
4) Stephenson is an interesting option but VGK is willing to do what it takes to keep the players they want to keep. so I doubt he goes to UFA.
5) Domi would likely stay in Toronto

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Everyone else is middle six meh, a million years old or RFA. I think there is a reason they signed Geekie, Boqvist and Brown and are trying to resign Freddy vs have traded him. they probably see the center group as:
Zacha
Coyle
Geekie
Frederic

Heres to hoping no regressions and let the strength of their wingers keep them competitive. I think they are hoping one of Merkulov and Lyell make a strong push in camp and go with this.

Marchand - Coyle - DeBrusk/Lysell
Merkulov/DeBrusk - Zacha - Pastrnak
JVR - Geekie - Boqvist
Lucic - Frederic - Lauko


I would have to imagine Forbort gets demoted or traded so that they can resign Swayman and Freddy. Swayman is the most movable piece IMO. I dont see a fancy new 1C being traded for signed as a FA. IDK, they are likely looking at Zacha to make the jump to 70+ pts with PP1 time (I can see it too personally) and that Geekie can be diamond in the rough growth candidate but hes a bottom six guy, hoping he grows into 3C most likely which at 2 million would be great value.

This is a cap compliant 22 man roster with Freddy and Swayman signed.

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Great post. Assuming Coyle skates between DeBrusk & Marchand he has the opportunity to improve his offensive numbers. Let’s hope he can. Same with Zacha. I don’t see this lineup as a Cup threat but crazier things have happened. Strength in goaltending a plus. I’m mostly concerned with the complete defensive meltdown on the blue line.. and most comments I read are suggesting that same defensive unit as a strength going into next season. Blue line needs a shakeup. They were completely overwhelmed vs Florida.
 
Patdud said:
yeah but we have 3 first line wingers, 2 No1A Dmen and 2 No1A Goalies.
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So basically its unbalanced. Rather have 3 strong first line centers than wingers. Two No1 goalies is just stupid especially when a basically third string goalie won the cup. I get goalies dont carry too much trade value, but cap space is really still an issue and relief of that is just as important. Depending on what they get for salaries it may be they need to trade another player to keep Swayman and Fredric as I would be surprised if they both come in under 6 mil. So depending on how that shakes out they may be dumping a player or letting Fredric walk if they go to arb and its too much for Sweeney to manage.

Cant argue with a strong defense though, but I question the full make up of the defense, more than individual talents. I dont think they are strong enough clearing the crease as a full unit and needs to change there a bit which I think they tried to do by bringing in Orlov, but since he isnt signed I think its back to the same issue again. Maybe Lorhei can fix that, but havent seen enough against Pro Players to think he would help there yet. Certainly has some size for it.
 
Patdud said:
yeah but we have 3 first line wingers, 2 No1A Dmen and 2 No1A Goalies.
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I’m one of if not the biggest Debrusk fan and defender on these boards. While he is technically a first line winger he’s not elite like Pasta. I’d say he’s more of a complimentary 1st line winger at this point.

Most of the money is eaten up by overpaying albeit slightly bottom 6 forwards and bottom pair dmen.
 
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MarchysNoseKnows said:
Of course I am. Why wouldn’t I assume that that’s what Lindholm would receive if he’s the top 1C available?
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Then I’d pass on him, if his demands are an 8 year contract. I’d still make available for trade Marchand, Linus, forbort and any other player who won’t be part of the team for the next run.
 
Blowfish said:
I find it interesting reading the "anti Coyle" comments...Truly Bizarre.

I love watching him play. Constant motor, big, physical, protects the puck. He's been playing a specific shut down role the last few years. This is his opportunity to get consistent top line minutes playing with skilled forwards. I can easily see him succeeding. He has the skill to do so.
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Just so everyone is clear, my statements are not anti Coyle. I think he's a very capable 3rd line center, and probably one of the best ones in the league if I'm being fair. The issue isn't him. It's that he's now going to be asked to slot up and play above his capabilities because Sweeney failed to address the lack of center depth organizationally for years. Much like how he failed to address the lack of top 6 wings when they were rolling Krejci out with trash year after year. Having Coyle as your third line center means you have a good team with good depth. Having Coyle as a top 2C means you have no depth and your margin for error is now razor thin.

Everything I've said is really about the failures of Sweeney to fill even basic holes in the lineup for the vast majority of his tenure here.
 
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Yeti34 said:
It’s amazing that we are cap strapped with 3 3rd line centers.
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Patdud said:
yeah but we have 3 first line wingers, 2 No1A Dmen and 2 No1A Goalies.
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Bruins no doubt have some premier talent but the lack of a pure top 2 center will bare its ugly head often. Pasta and Marchy can carry a line at any given time which will keep the bruins afloat and in the playoff hunt for now, along with their defense structure and Goaltending, looks to me that the Bruins will be battling their asses off for a WC spot. But what do I know I thought they would be doing the same a year ago. lol
 
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I’m one of if not the biggest Debrusk fan and defender on these boards. While he is technically a first line winger he’s not elite like Pasta. I’d say he’s more of a complimentary 1st line winger at this point.

Most of the money is eaten up by overpaying albeit slightly bottom 6 forwards and bottom pair dmen.
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My worry with Debrusk is that at one point he wanted to be traded. I get he over came that, but still makes me weary he may want to leave once he is a FA
 
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Blowfish said:
I can't talk about his time with Minny. I'm going by what I've watched in his development and deployment.

Coyle is getting better with age and playing with the likes of Bergeron. We can agree to disagree on this one but he will surprise some of you.

Of all the guys on this site complaining about Coyle you're the most surprising.
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I'm not anti-Coyle, I am anti-Coyle as a top 2 center. I just do not see it. The overpayment was Sweeney's fault not the players, much like Grczelyk. Coyle as your third line center in a non cap league is great, Coyle at 4 million is great, Coyle at 5.2 and as a top 2 center is terrifying.
 
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LSCII said:
Just so everyone is clear, my statements are not anti Coyle. I think he's a very capable 3rd line center, and probably one of the best ones in the league if I'm being fair. The issue isn't him. It's that he's now going to be asked to slot up and play above his capabilities because Sweeney failed to address the lack of center depth organizationally for years. Much like how he failed to address the lack of top 6 wings when they were rolling Krejci out with trash year after year. Having Coyle as your third line center means you have a good team with good depth. Having Coyle as a top 2C means you have no depth and your margin for error is now razor thin.

Everything I've said is really about the failures of Sweeney to fill even basic holes in the lineup for the vast majority of his tenure here.
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All about his role and coach deployment of players.

Give him pp time with the likes of Pasta, Debrusk, Marchand, McAvoy and top line minutes "for extended period of time" the points would be there.

I don't know...to me it's not rocket science. He was more valuable to the team "Bergeron era" playing defensive/checking role. Now it's his time to put up some points.

Fenian24 said:
I'm not anti-Coyle, I am anti-Coyle as a top 2 center. I just do not see it. The overpayment was Sweeney's fault not the players, much like Grczelyk. Coyle as your third line center in a non cap league is great, Coyle at 4 million is great, Coyle at 5.2 and as a top 2 center is terrifying.
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Like I said above...He plays pp and top line he gets the points and we can see the skills/puck possession/strength to create scoring opportunities.
 
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MarchysNoseKnows said:
I mean Horvat got 8x$8.5M. It’s the going rate.
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Gaudreau, trochek and kadri signed for 7 years. Again if it’s the going rate that it’s 8 years I’ll pass. I’d offer him 6 years. If he doesn’t accept it then I’d move on. No big deal.

I also don’t view Lindholm as a 1c on a true contending team, more of a high end 2c.

With that said I wouldn’t just stop with Lindholm, I’d make sure I have the assets to actually acquire those players and I’d get those assets by trading guys who won’t be part of the next group.
 
LSCII said:
Just so everyone is clear, my statements are not anti Coyle. I think he's a very capable 3rd line center, and probably one of the best ones in the league if I'm being fair. The issue isn't him. It's that he's now going to be asked to slot up and play above his capabilities because Sweeney failed to address the lack of center depth organizationally for years. Much like how he failed to address the lack of top 6 wings when they were rolling Krejci out with trash year after year. Having Coyle as your third line center means you have a good team with good depth. Having Coyle as a top 2C means you have no depth and your margin for error is now razor thin.

Everything I've said is really about the failures of Sweeney to fill even basic holes in the lineup for the vast majority of his tenure here.
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He lost the chance to become a second line center once already. Haula had to take over the reigns. I get about giving guys a chance, but to me Coyle has already proven he can’t handle being more offensive. Got to remember he will be going against stronger players, as he will become a focus. Same thing with Zacha, I give him a bit more leeway as he hasn’t proven he can’t handle top center position as a Bruin. However in his previous 6 years in NJ he failed to become a top 6 center and it’s not like they had world class centers either.

I get this season is pretty much a reset with cap, 1 year deals, and throwing career third liners into top 6 roles. As long as Sweeney is clear about this and not blowing smoke up our butts about it then I am cool because I understood this is consequences of going all in.

However it doesn’t excuse the poor drafting though. It’s been pretty bad. Surprised there hasn’t been much turnover in the scouts department.
 
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UncleRico said:
Gaudreau, trochek and kadri signed for 7 years. Again if it’s the going rate that it’s 8 years I’ll pass. I’d offer him 6 years. If he doesn’t accept it then I’d move on. No big deal.

I also don’t view Lindholm as a 1c on a true contending team, more of a high end 2c.

With that said I wouldn’t just stop with Lindholm, I’d make sure I have the assets to actually acquire those players and I’d get those assets by trading guys who won’t be part of the next group.
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I know you’re going to post about trading Marchand over and over even though we all know that isn’t happening. If they don’t win a cup in the next couple years you’ll be able to say you were right so congrats in advance I guess.

But you did just throw down the gauntlet for Sweeney saying if he didn’t trade for Lindholm he’d be wasting 2-3 years of the Bruins core. Now you’re saying he’s not worth 8 years and isn’t really a 1C. So a bit hard to follow the logic.
 
Blowfish said:
All about his role and coach deployment of players.

Give him pp time with the likes of Pasta, Debrusk, Marchand, McAvoy and top line minutes "for extended period of time" the points would be there.

I don't know...to me it's not rocket science. He was more valuable to the team "Bergeron era" playing defensive/checking role. Now it's his time to put up some points.


Like I said above...He plays pp and top line he gets the points.
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What role would you give Coyle on the powerplay?
 
MarchysNoseKnows said:
I know you’re going to post about trading Marchand over and over even though we all know that isn’t happening. If they don’t win a cup in the next couple years you’ll be able to say you were right so congrats in advance I guess.

But you did just throw down the gauntlet for Sweeney saying if he didn’t trade for Lindholm he’d be wasting 2-3 years of the Bruins core. Now you’re saying he’s not worth 8 years and isn’t really a 1C. So a bit hard to follow the logic.
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Not surprising you are having difficulty following considering you didn’t know what the definition of a name and hindsight were recently.
 
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