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Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk IX

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JerseyBruin said:
Sure he was the top center on this Bruins team but its not like he was setting the world on fire . 11 of his 27 goals coming from specials(PP-9, SH-2) . That's certainly not 1st line C quality for most NHL teams.
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JerseyBruin said:
Sure he was the top center on this Bruins team but its not like he was setting the world on fire . 11 of his 27 goals coming from specials(PP-9, SH-2) . That's certainly not 1st line C quality for most NHL teams.
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Judging Bergeron based on his offensive output has never told the whole story of his impact, he still tilts the ice in the bruins favor more then any of our other forwards. Among forwards that played at least 200min this season, he was first in 5v5 GF% and 4th in 5v5 xGF%. That's a 1C.
 
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dugg133 said:
Judging Bergeron based on his offensive output has never told the whole story of his impact, he still tilts the ice in the bruins favor more then any of our other forwards. Among forwards that played at least 200min this season, he was first in 5v5 GF% and 4th in 5v5 xGF%. That's a 1C.
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We'll agree to disagree but he's not a true 1C anymore and the Bruins would be foolish to use him as such.
 
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DKH said:
I don’t get the Coyle hate. Anyone who has never listened to 1 second of Boston sports radio or ever belonged or had a twitter account I’d like to know what you see that is different from me
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Before the trade I remember one particular post where a wild fan was describing Coyles game as having all the tools and showing flashes of dominance but not really taking that next step. He just leaves you wanting more. If he made $1 million less I don’t think he’d be as big of a whipping boy as he is now. He just is what he is a good third line center and isn’t going to be anything more.
 
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MarchysNoseKnows said:
If he’s not a true 1C then there are about 8 of them in the league.
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Bergy at this stage in his career statistically, analytically, and even by watching the games can still be a 1c.

I would have hoped we had someone in the pipeline to ease that burden to knock him down to the 2c but we don’t. 1C duty is a lot to ask and expect of Bergy at this stage in his career. We saw it in the playoffs how much of a toll it took on him and by the end of it he was one of our worst performers.
 
Yeti34 said:
Bergy at this stage in his career statistically, analytically, and even by watching the games can still be a 1c.

I would have hoped we had someone in the pipeline to ease that burden to knock him down to the 2c but we don’t. 1C duty is a lot to ask and expect of Bergy at this stage in his career. We saw it in the playoffs how much of a toll it took on him and by the end of it he was one of our worst performers.
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I don’t think anyone would have said that prior to game 82.
 
DKH said:
Lou might be the only one close to me in knowledge in sports. His departure following Glorydaze is a gut punch.

His loss will be felt
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Did he delete his account? I hope he will be back.

This is a remainder to some here that even if you have an totally different opinion on a matter, you still treat your opposite with respect and choose your words carefully.
 
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Yeti34 said:
Before the trade I remember one particular post where a wild fan was describing Coyles game as having all the tools and showing flashes of dominance but not really taking that next step. He just leaves you wanting more. If he made $1 million less I don’t think he’d be as big of a whipping boy as he is now. He just is what he is a good third line center and isn’t going to be anything more.
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You have just posted one of the more accurate posts on this forum ..........If not for his contract he would not be a topic..........
 
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Got to say, to this point, on the whole, and considering what he was facing this offseason, Sweeney made chicken sandwich out of ....

Granted it isn't the steak dinner we had last year, but he cut luxury of the budget brought in a whole lot of goods on the cheap when he needed to.

#OceanStateJobLotSummer
 
Oates2Neely said:
It comes down to him being overpaid imo. 5.25m for 40 points isn’t ideal. What bothers me is he has the ability to be a force out there, but at times he chooses not to. He’s a great kid, defensively responsible, protects the puck well… but he just doesn’t leave it all on the ice enough. He’s like the Dodge Charger doing 60mph for 13 miles on I-93 in the high speed lane during morning rush hour traffic.
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Is he though? Boston’s centers don’t put up many points. Coyle had 45pts (40 even strength 5 short handed, no pp pts). Bergeron had 58 pts with 19 of them on the pp. so 58-19= 47pts. Krejci had 56pts with 12 of them on the pp. so 56-12=44pts. Bergeron & Krejci had 5 & 4 times as much pp time. Coyle only averaged 40 sec/ gm. Yes, there is a reason those two got more pp time, but it’s safe to say his production would increase with more pp time. I think Coyle is a great value. Does everything he’s asked to do. I can easily see him as a 2nd line center.
 
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Shoebottom88 said:
Is he though? Boston’s centers don’t put up many points. Coyle had 45pts (40 even strength 5 short handed, no pp pts). Bergeron had 58 pts with 19 of them on the pp. so 58-19= 47pts. Krejci had 56pts with 12 of them on the pp. so 56-12=44pts. Bergeron & Krejci had 5 & 4 times as much pp time. Coyle only averaged 40 sec/ gm. Yes, there is a reason those two got more pp time, but it’s safe to say his production would increase with more pp time. I think Coyle is a great value. Does everything he’s asked to do. I can easily see him as a 2nd line center.
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I mean we tried Coyle as 2C last year and he got outplayed by Erik Haula. Coyle is 31, to me he sorta is what he is at this point. Great 3C that can fill in the top 6 in a pinch, but not quite an everyday 2C. But who knows, maybe if you put him between Marchand and Debrusk those two will elevate his game enough that it'll be a legit 2nd line regardless.
 
dugg133 said:
Judging Bergeron based on his offensive output has never told the whole story of his impact, he still tilts the ice in the bruins favor more then any of our other forwards. Among forwards that played at least 200min this season, he was first in 5v5 GF% and 4th in 5v5 xGF%. That's a 1C.
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JerseyBruin said:
We'll agree to disagree but he's not a true 1C anymore and the Bruins would be foolish to use him as such.
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He’s definitely a true 1C, the problem is he’s usually pretty injured late in the season/playoffs and when that happens we don’t have a 1C at full strength on the roster. Would be nice to have a Scheifele or a Lindholm for that reason. A younger, fresher player that can take some of the load off Bergeron.
 
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dugg133 said:
I mean we tried Coyle as 2C last year and he got outplayed by Erik Haula. Coyle is 31, to me he sorta is what he is at this point. Great 3C that can fill in the top 6 in a pinch, but not quite an everyday 2C. But who knows, maybe if you put him between Marchand and Debrusk those two will elevate his game enough that it'll be a legit 2nd line regardless.
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Are you basing this on one game vs NJ? If Bergeron doesn’t let his ego get the better of him in last year’s playoffs, the Bruins might’ve been in the final vs LV. He was solid vs Florida as 2C
 
CDJ said:
He’s definitely a true 1C, the problem is he’s usually pretty injured late in the season/playoffs and when that happens we don’t have a 1C at full strength on the roster. Would be nice to have a Scheifele or a Lindholm for that reason. A younger, fresher player that can take some of the load off Bergeron.
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Also worth adding to the conversation that Bergeron had the exact same 5v5 Points per 60 min as Lindholm this past season, and had considerably more then Scheifele. If Bergy isn't a 1C then neither are those guys,

Shoebottom88 said:
Are you basing this on one game vs NJ? If Bergeron doesn’t let his ego get the better of him in last year’s playoffs, the Bruins might’ve been in the final vs LV. He was solid vs Florida as 2C
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I was talking about 2021-22 when Krejci was gone and Coyle started the year at 2C, only to get replaced by Haula like halfway through the year.
 
dugg133 said:
I mean we tried Coyle as 2C last year and he got outplayed by Erik Haula. Coyle is 31, to me he sorta is what he is at this point. Great 3C that can fill in the top 6 in a pinch, but not quite an everyday 2C. But who knows, maybe if you put him between Marchand and Debrusk those two will elevate his game enough that it'll be a legit 2nd line regardless.
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What makes a center making 5m a "great" third line center? Is this what third line centers are making these day?
 
4ORRBRUIN said:
What makes a center making 5m a "great" third line center? Is this what third line centers are making these day?
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Literally yes, that's what good 3Cs make nowadays lol. Copp makes 5.6mil, Compher makes 5.1, Gourde makes 5.1mil, Pageau makes 5mil. Centers are expensive, and when Matthews signs his new contract they'll be even more expensive. Coyle's contract has never been as bad as some people make it seem.
 
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dugg133 said:
Literally yes, that's what good 3Cs make nowadays lol. Copp makes 5.6mil, Compher makes 5.1, Gourde makes 5.1mil, Pageau makes 5mil. Centers are expensive, and when Matthews signs his new contract they'll be even more expensive. Coyle's contract has never been as bad as some people make it seem.
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Now tell me what the rest of the third line centers are making per year. Coyle's contract was and still is poo poo

The Fred Brunet Fan said:
Coyle has had an easy go of it, here. Cushy gig.
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Jack and Brick remind us every time he touches the puck lol
 
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