Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk IX

[Gordoff]

Top ten is a bit much.

But, I think between the veteran, Geek Physique, depth signings, and Kids Incorporated, the B's will be a good to very good club that will make the playoffs.

If they don't, I'm okay with it.

I'm also keenly interested to see how Montgomery responds to what happened in R1, what he may have learned from the experience, and the adjustments he makes going forward.

There had better be adjustments.

As noted, at present, I actually believe JM is better suited to coaching a team that isn't loaded and expected to make a splash.

I would prefer to fly under the radar.

IMO, the big thing that Monty learned was deflection. NOT a good look.

 

[bme44]

I dont think that they'll be bad. With the goalie tandem, Pasta, Marchy, Mac et al, they'll be competitive at least.

Obviously, the huge question mark would be whether or not Bergy and/or Krejci returns and to what effectiveness. This team will be interesting to say the least. At the high end, a playoff team. At the "low", a 2015-2016 " retool" of sorts. I just dont envision a tank style with this group.

I was never implying tank style. My intent was more only half of the teams make the playoffs and we as Bruin fans have been pretty spoiled the last # of years

 

[Gordoff]

He's one Sick Bastard.

 

[Number8]

People said the same type of things when Chara wasn't resigned. At this point in time Bergy coming off yet another injury and at age 38 is not the same player. His leadership and defensive skill will be missed but even if he came back he really shouldn't be anything more than a 3LC . We can hold onto all the memories of the player he was but father time and injuries catch up to everyone especially in this sport.

I would agree if the back injury is an issue, but neither you or I have a clue about that one way or the other. I would think you’d have to assume IF he comes back that is because the back injury is not an issue.

If you use that premise, then your argument has no credibility at all. Go look at his stats from last season — everything. Goals, assists, games played, face offs taken, face offs won, SHTOI and then his Selke. The only stat that isn’t as good as his general career average is his shooting percentage. Everything else is the same, slightly lower, or slightly higher.

If you think those abilities and performance would not help any team in the league bank significantly more points than without him then I just have to say that you are wrong. It defies simple logic.

If the back injury is an issue he won’t come back (he may not anyway) and it becomes a moot point.

Comparing Chara’s stats when he retired vs. his career dominance to where Bergeron is against his career dominance is a red herring. Not remotely in the same territory.

 

[quietbruinfan]

I can't.

Only by hearsay from people that do watch them nightly.

As for Frederic, I have rarely ever heard Brickly or Jaffe or Pederson comment on his defensive game or even a specific instance where they say, wow great defensive play by Freddy! He doesn't really tally many takeaways or blocked shot either.

Just my opinion.

You are right,but I do seem to remember him almost miraculously catching and stripping McKinnon.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

What is Frederic’s value translated into a draft pick?

A 2nd round pick? A 2nd and a 5th? I would think the cap space issue would be less of a problem since he’d come relatively cheap (under $3).

Frederic, drafted #29, don't think his value has stretched too far ahead or behind.

Depending on the team?

Late 1st/early 2nd (24-40 range)

Straight up for an A- prospect

Late 2nd + B prospect
3rd + B+ prospect

Basically if there's a team that has a backlog of offensive C prospects that needs NHL ready bottom 6 roster player, may be interested. (Example, a team like Edmonton may trade an offensive minded C prospect for someone to strengthen their bottom 6. Not implying that's a move Edmonton would do, but that type of roster build)

I have nothing to back that up, but I think he holds some value, he has his flaws, but he's young enough, and while some like to use his playoff scratches as a negative, I think it's a positive (or at bare minimum not a strike against him) as he wasn't on the ice when the team dropped.the ball/puck (whatever analogy you want to use).

 

[Oates2Neely]

Is he though? Boston’s centers don’t put up many points. Coyle had 45pts (40 even strength 5 short handed, no pp pts). Bergeron had 58 pts with 19 of them on the pp. so 58-19= 47pts. Krejci had 56pts with 12 of them on the pp. so 56-12=44pts. Bergeron & Krejci had 5 & 4 times as much pp time. Coyle only averaged 40 sec/ gm. Yes, there is a reason those two got more pp time, but it’s safe to say his production would increase with more pp time. I think Coyle is a great value. Does everything he’s asked to do. I can easily see him as a 2nd line center.

Coyle is 31 years old and he’s notched 50+ points once (in Minnesota).

By age 31 Krejci had scored over 50 points 7x.

By age 31 Bergeron had scored over 50 points 9x.

 

[GordonHowe]

IMO, the big thing that Monty learned was deflection. NOT a good look.

Deflection of criticism?

 

[Shoebottom88]

Coyle is 31 years old and he’s notched 50+ points once (in Minnesota).

By age 31 Krejci had scored over 50 points 7x.

By age 31 Bergeron had scored over 50 points 9x.

What is your point? That why those two made millions more than Coyle. My point was that all three had comparable production last season, and Coyle’s salary is right where it should be. Did you know that Krejci and Bergeron never reached 80 pts in a season, and yet they got paid like 1st line centers. Not sure why Coyle is getting the scape goat treatment, when last playoff’s failure was due to Bergeron, Monty, & Ullmark. Coyle centered the 2nd line in gms #3 & #4, both in Florida, and both wins.

 

[Oates2Neely]

What is your point? That why those two made millions more than Coyle. My point was that all three had comparable production last season, and Coyle’s salary is right where it should be. Did you know that Krejci and Bergeron never reached 80 pts in a season, and yet they got paid like 1st line centers. Not sure why Coyle is getting the scape goat treatment, when last playoff’s failure was due to Bergeron, Monty, & Ullmark. Coyle centered the 2nd line in gms #3 & #4, both in Florida, and both wins.

You’re comparing Coyle in his prime to two guys who are currently contemplating retirement. If you’re a Cup contending team ideally Coyle is your 3C. He’s proven over and over again he’s not a long term 2C. Cherry picking 2 playoff games doesn’t help your case. Coyle is mediocre. He’s a big kid who protects the puck well but doesn’t bring “it” consistently enough to be a top 6 center. He’s a 40 point center, and it’s not as if he’s a Selke candidate. He’s good.., vanilla.

 

[DKH]

i heard lucic train is coming back, so there's that

Any word on what’s going back to Calgary for Hanny

Hanny - bright lights
Lindy - Carlo

Linus
Sway

Last time I saw a top 4 D and 2 goalies like this I was at game 4 of the Finals in 1977 at old Garden watching Montreal

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

You are right,but I do seem to remember him almost miraculously catching and stripping McKinnon.

Must have been a dream.

 

[TCB]

Any word on what’s going back to Calgary for Hanny

Hanny - bright lights
Lindy - Carlo

Linus
Sway

Last time I saw a top 4 D and 2 goalies like this I was at game 4 of the Finals in 1977 at old Garden watching Montreal

Who was the fourth ? lol

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Any word on what’s going back to Calgary for Hanny

Hanny - bright lights
Lindy - Carlo

Linus
Sway

Last time I saw a top 4 D and 2 goalies like this I was at game 4 of the Finals in 1977 at old Garden watching Montreal

Last time I saw a top 4 like that they were blowing a 3-1 series lead while also blowing a 3rd period lead in game 7.

 

[Absurdity]

Any word on what’s going back to Calgary for Hanny

Hanny - bright lights
Lindy - Carlo

Linus
Sway

Last time I saw a top 4 D and 2 goalies like this I was at game 4 of the Finals in 1977 at old Garden watching Montreal

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Who was the fourth ? lol

Bill Nyrop.

 

[DominicT]

Qualifying offers expire at 5 pm today.

 

[TCB]

Bill Nyrop.

I once listen to Scotty Bowman say in the third period of a game Lapointe, Savard and Robinson wouldn't come off the ice. Those three were playing nearly 30 minutes a game come playoff time. He really shorten his bench. Nothing against Nyrop, Bouchard you take your pick or even Jimmy Roberts who would play both forward and defense. Bowman would only dress 5 defenseman a game, sometimes only playing 4 of them. Those Great Canadiens teams were known as Montreal's Big 3 on the blue-line.

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[Dennis Bonvie]

I once listen to Scotty Bowman say in the third period of a game Lapointe, Savard and Robinson wouldn't come off the ice. Those three were playing nearly 30 minutes a game come playoff time. He really shorten his bench. Nothing against Nyrop, Bouchard you take your pick or even Jimmy Roberts who would play both forward and defense. Bowman would only dress 5 defenseman a game, sometimes only playing 4 of them. Those Great Canadiens team were known as Montreal's Big 3. There wasn't a fourth of significance anyways.

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We were comparing them to the Bruins top 4.

I'd say Nyrop of that time compares pretty well to Carlo.

 

[TCB]

We were comparing them to the Bruins top 4.

I'd say Nyrop of that time compares pretty well to Carlo.

Its not even close, those three are HOFers didn't matter who was the fourth whether it was Bouchard, Nyrop or Roberts, those three were that good.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Its not even close, those three are HOFers didn't matter who was the fourth whether ot was Bouchard Nyrop or Roberts, those three were that good.

No one is arguing that point.

 

[TCB]

No one is arguing that point.

I hope not

 

[DKH]

Bill Nyrop.

Last time I saw a top 4 like that they were blowing a 3-1 series lead while also blowing a 3rd period lead in game 7.

I was there in my Looch Fight Club shirt and Hanson Brothers plastic glasses from a 2009 giveaway first 5000- and although there was no lens I didn’t see Hanny on the ice

Aside - phenomenal move getting Looch back

Reminds me after seeing Crosby, Stills, and Nash a dozen times and Neil Young joined them. One of best concerts ever seen and I go back to the Turtles & Eric Carmen and the Raspberries

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I was there in my Looch Fight Club shirt and Hanson Brothers plastic glasses from a 2009 giveaway first 5000- and although there was no lens I didn’t see Hanny on the ice

Aside - phenomenal move getting Looch back

Reminds me after seeing Crosby, Stills, and Nash a dozen times and Neil Young joined them. One of best concerts ever seen and I go back to the Turtles & Eric Carmen and the Raspberries

Reading comp at an all time low these days.

 

[DKH]

Reading comp at an all time low these days.

Oh that’s Hanifin nickname

Brendan Shanahan is Shanny

Lanny McDonald is Lanny

Bobby Schmautz is Schmautzie

Noah Hanifin is Hanny