2023 NHL Playoffs Around the League

[doublechili]

My recollection from the expansion draft is that people were glad to see Eberle go, and the consensus was that SEA screwed up the draft in a big way.

 

[Tres Peleches]

No Barzal and no Dobson. Probably hurts us more than helps.


So why not Bailey?

I’d much rather have Tkachuk than Barzal, and Dobson is good, but has massive warts.

If you’re going to move Dobson, that’s the kinda deal you do it for

Not that that would have gotten it done, mind you

 

[The Real JT]

Hindsight being 20/20 I’ll say this:
I bet Seattle would’ve agreed to take Bailey if we attached a second round pick.

As for the fourth line: Cizikas showed he still has some giddy up left but it’s more sporadic than it used to be. While he’s still decent on the PK he’s also lost a step there as evidenced by our PK in the playoffs.

Martin and Clutter are done. A nice snipe by Clutter and an unexpected tally or two by Martin doesn’t change the obvious deterioration of their play. They both need to go or sit next year. New linemates might also improve Cizikas’ performance.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

As for the fourth line: Cizikas showed he still has some giddy up left but it’s more sporadic than it used to be. While he’s still decent on the PK he’s also lost a step there as evidenced by our PK in the playoffs.

Couldn't disagree more.

 

[The Real JT]

Hindsight being 20/20 I’ll say this:
I bet Seattle would’ve agreed to take Bailey if we attached a second round pick.

As for the fourth line: Cizikas showed he still has some giddy up left but it’s more sporadic than it used to be. While he’s still decent on the PK he’s also lost a step there as evidenced by our PK in the playoffs.

Martin and Clutter are done. A nice snipe by Clutter and an unexpected tally or two by Martin doesn’t change the obvious deterioration of their play. They both need to go or sit next year. New linemates might also improve Cizikas’ performance.

Couldn't disagree more.

Isles PK ranking

2020-2021 6th best
2021-2022 4th best
2022-2023 9th best (going in the wrong direction)

Cizikas had 6 goals all year in 81 games played.

I still like his style and think it’s well suited to the post season. At the same time I can’t ignore the stats and the 4 years left on his deal.

I believe his performance was in part brought down by his aging, slowing linemates. On a team where arguments can be made to move many of the veteran players, he’s still a guy I prefer to keep.

 

[PK Cronin]

My recollection from the expansion draft is that people were glad to see Eberle go, and the consensus was that SEA screwed up the draft in a big way.

There were some who wanted to keep Eberle but I think this was the general consensus, especially about Seattle messing up the draft. They made no side deals and didn't acquire any draft capital.

 

[doublechili]

There were some who wanted to keep Eberle but I think this was the general consensus, especially about Seattle messing up the draft. They made no side deals and didn't acquire any draft capital.

So it was more like a re-tool rather than a rebuild? Impressive that they could do that starting with no players.

 

[CupHolders]

My recollection from the expansion draft is that people were glad to see Eberle go, and the consensus was that SEA screwed up the draft in a big way.

I was happy to see Eberle go. Would’ve been happier if Tarasenko returned.

I don’t see what the issue people have… Problem wasn’t even Eberle leaving it was a better scorer not returning and Palmieri being mostly injured.

I can say that I miss Eberle a bit more than Mariusz Czerkawski and a lot more than Brad Boyes. I guess that’s something.

As for Seattle, reportedly they set high prices for taking salary, and never lowered their asking price.

So it was more like a re-tool rather than a rebuild? Impressive that they could do that starting with no players.

No no no… as an expansion draft it is classified as a RE-USE.

 

[The Real JT]

There were some who wanted to keep Eberle but I think this was the general consensus, especially about Seattle messing up the draft. They made no side deals and didn't acquire any draft capital.

So it was more like a re-tool rather than a rebuild? Impressive that they could do that starting with no players.

Fair points and the touch of sarcasm is appreciated.

My take from those comments is that with the right scouting and GM this team (or any team for that matter) can succeed in today’s game.

That’s even more justification as to why Lou’s regime needs to come to an end.

 

[13th Floor]

My recollection from the expansion draft is that people were glad to see Eberle go, and the consensus was that SEA screwed up the draft in a big way.

Same thing happened with the Vegas draft. Everyone clowned on McPhee after the draft, then they won like their first 10 games or something, and everyone quickly switched to saying the expansion rules were unfair and they should make expansion teams earn it a bit more.

This is the world we live in. 24-hour news cycle is all about amnesia and what have you done for me lately. Remember when there was actual shame and embarrassment in the public sphere? You got caught doing something and you had to fess up, explain yourself, do PR, etc. Now you can just lie, deflect, and wait.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Same thing happened with the Vegas draft. Everyone clowned on McPhee after the draft, then they won like their first 10 games or something, and everyone quickly switched to saying the expansion rules were unfair and they should make expansion teams earn it a bit more.

This is the world we live in. 24-hour news cycle is all about amnesia and what have you done for me lately. Remember when there was actual shame and embarrassment in the public sphere? You got caught doing something and you had to fess up, explain yourself, do PR, etc. Now you can just lie, deflect, and wait.

Don't forget the public apology. Sorry to take this COMPLETELY off topic but this is interesting.

The Case Against the Twitter Apology

Our twenty-first-century culture of performed remorse has become a sorry spectacle.

www.newyorker.com

 

[leeroggy]

This is why I am gonna laugh when we dump Bailey for practice hockey sticks and he goes to Anaheim or some west coast team and he goes out and scores 30 goals. Everyone will miss Bailey... EXCEPT ME!

Same for Eberle.

The only way Bailey is going to score 30 goals is if he's extended 3 more years

I'm more likely to score on a dating site 30 times in the next 4 years

 

[Osakahaus]

I’d much rather have Tkachuk than Barzal, and Dobson is good, but has massive warts.

If you’re going to move Dobson, that’s the kinda deal you do it for

Not that that would have gotten it done, mind you

I would too, but the problem for us will always be CENTER

also Tkachuk=no Dobson, Horvat OR Barzal

 

[Doshell Propivo]

The only way Bailey is going to score 30 goals is if he's extended 3 more years

I'm more likely to score on a dating site 30 times in the next 4 years

I've defended Bailey more than most here but he never has, nor ever will, score 30 goals in a season.

 

[TXNYI]

Hindsight being 20/20 I’ll say this:
Martin and Clutter are done. A nice snipe by Clutter and an unexpected tally or two by Martin doesn’t change the obvious deterioration of their play. They both need to go or sit next year. New linemates might also improve Cizikas’ performance.

Was looking at games played for both Martin and Clutter for the past 4 years. While, Martin has been trending upward and played almost all games this year, he still is only averaging about 3/4 of a season. And we don't know if this year is an outlier. Cal, on the other hand, has only been able to play half the games each year.

I don't think either of these two are going anywhere. So, seems like either sitting them some to keep them fresher or waiting until they are inevitably injured and filling those spots will be on the menu next year. And if Bailey is still here and Ross....that is alot of bodies that will be sitting for a good portion of games.

One thing I could see: trading JPG and moving Cizikas up to take his place. Agree that it may help Zeeker if he had newer, maybe younger wings to play with. But then we need a 4th line center. No thanks on Koivula. Has Lee ever played center for the Isles in his career? He is listed as LW,C but I don't remember him ever playing anything but wing. If so, maybe that's an option to use other speedier options in top 9 and maybe keeping Lee fresher since he seemed better at begining of year. Lou certainly has his work cut out for him.

Either way, doubt we see the ID line as much as we did this year. And maybe not at all with the three of them.

 

[The Real JT]

While never as satisfying as an Isles win, I have to say that the last couple of days watching playoff hockey have been quite enjoyable.

That’s all.

 

[Big L]

Jersey still asleep

 

[Lame Lambert]

New Jersey won their Stanley Cup already

 

[danteipp]

I can't believe that the Devils got absolutely ambushed by the Hurricanes. Wow.

 

[PK Cronin]

One shot on goal. Is that better or worse than the Islanders did?

 

[Zeeker]

mAyBe tHe iSlAnDeRs lOsS wAsNt tHaT bAd!!!

Run it back!!

 

[PK Cronin]

mAyBe tHe iSlAnDeRs lOsS wAsNt tHaT bAd!!!

Run it back!!

Yes, now you're getting it.

 

[The Real JT]

Pretty slick move by Bastian though not great positioning by Freddie.

 

[doublechili]

It's still early and the Devs can still turn it around in this game, let alone in the series. But, suffice to say I'm not surprised with how it started. Playoff hockey, baby. CAR plays a great team game, and their coaching is really good. We'll see how it shakes out, but if CAR continues playing well the good news is that maybe the Isles don't have the impossible task of massively increasing skill. Maybe it's more about increasing skill but more increasing speed on the wings and getting a high end puck-moving defenseman.

 

[Big L]

I can't believe that the Devils got absolutely ambushed by the Hurricanes. Wow.

NJ still has game 7 hangover.