2023 NHL Entry Draft

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Noah Ostlund or Beck and Mesar? Apparently the Habs tried to package 26 + 33 OV to move up mid first round and grab Ostlund. I dont know for you guys, but Im pretty happy it didnt work out.
 

Noah Ostlund or Beck and Mesar? Apparently the Habs tried to package 26 + 33 OV to move up mid first round and grab Ostlund. I dont know for you guys, but Im pretty happy it didnt work out.

Yeah, same here. If what Brunet says is true, then they really have "lucked out" by having their offer declined since they got what looks like two quality players instead of one.
 
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Maybe the Habs should trade their 1st for some playoff help at the deadline.:sarcasm:
 
Yeah, same here. If what Brunet says is true, then they really have "lucked out" by having their offer declined since they got what looks like two quality players instead of one.
Ostlund isn't exactly setting the world on fire. If this is true, it's probably for the better. It's early and Ostlund has loads of potential as a playmaking center, but I'd take our two guys.
 
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Not so sure Allen is falling....
Well he seem to be ~9th on lot of list before the season, now I see him out of the top 15 on lot of list I don’t thing it is just other player moving up… At the end, he might not fall but momentum doesn’t seem to be on his side right now…
 
Barlow is firmly top 15, Heidt possibly as well.

To be honest I'm not sure where people began to sour on Heidt. He was drafted 2nd overall to Bedard in the WHL (ahead of Yager 3rd), had a great D-1, an impressive Hlinka and is now 8th in WHL scoring. He looks eerily like Suzuki when I watch him play. I don't get it.

In fact the entire 2nd tier of WHL prospects are being slept on. Cristall, Heidt, Ziemmer, Dragicevic may all be top 15 when all is said and done. I need to start watching Honzek as well. This is the league to keep tabs on for the year.

Time to start moving Ritchie, Stenberg, Stramel, Allen, Halttunen down draft boards.

I'm not at all sour on Heidt, and agree with you he's definitely top 15, and will likely be top 10 by end of season.

Kid is a stud. He's impressive every time he hits the ice.

He's one of the most complete players in the draft, and the Suzuki comparison is legit, except his skating and pace is much, much better.
 
What lists?
I don’t keep tab of every list I see, but since I looked for RD every time I see a list, I feel that before the season started every list seem to have him around 9th and best D, now I see more like 13-17th and he is still the top rank D on most list but it isn’t unanimous anymore.
 
I'm not at all sour on Heidt, and agree with you he's definitely top 15, and will likely be top 10 by end of season.

Kid is a stud. He's impressive every time he hits the ice.

He's one of the most complete players in the draft, and the Suzuki comparison is legit, except his skating and pace is much, much better.

The WHL is turning what would be a good draft into a potentially legendary one. Unfortunately the OHL and QMJHL aren't exactly blowing me away so far.
 
The WHL is turning what would be a good draft into a potentially legendary one. Unfortunately the OHL and QMJHL aren't exactly blowing me away so far.

Every time I see a league/environment looking too good I start discounting the whole thing, it's the stocks analysis guy in me. The WHL is looking good because quite frankly it's a weaker league for 18-19 years old than the OHL/Q right now. The 2024-2025 WHL guys will look much worse in the WHL when this 2023 group will be 18-19 themselves. Next year the Q will look awesome because they have a wave of 2024 talent and a significant bunch of quality older players that will move out.

That's what I say every year lmao xDD

Look at the 2024s...
 
Well he seem to be ~9th on lot of list before the season, now I see him out of the top 15 on lot of list I don’t thing it is just other player moving up… At the end, he might not fall but momentum doesn’t seem to be on his side right now…

We're in November, and he's a young D. I don't give much of a shit about November media/independent lists and I don't think teams do either. Hlinka was a clear evaluation point where Allen was head and shoulder ahead of anyone else on D for Canada (and the best D in the tournament) - Do you think that a few league games in October/Nov will change that?

Granted he's not Ekblad or Makar style, he's a Guhle/Weber type, I fully expect him to potentially have a hard time competing draft-position-wise against forwards who are scoring a lot right now. But on draft day...make no mistake, if a team needs a D they might have Allen in their top 6-7-8. And I could see us being that team, considering we have Hutson and Mailloux!

Guhle - Mailloux/Barron
Hutson - Allen
Harris - JackEye
Barron/Mailloux

Best D since the 1970s?
 
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Every time I see a league/environment looking too good I start discounting the whole thing, it's the stocks analysis guy in me. The WHL is looking good because quite frankly it's a weaker league for 18-19 years old than the OHL/Q right now. The 2024-2025 WHL guys will look much worse in the WHL when this 2023 group will be 18-19 themselves. Next year the Q will look awesome because they have a wave of 2024 talent and a significant bunch of quality older players that will move out.

That might be true, it might not be, but generally that kind of effect is going to be pretty small. If someone's clowning the league, their production is pretty clearly out of the noise floor.
 
That might be true, it might not be, but generally that kind of effect is going to be pretty small. If someone's clowning the league, their production is pretty clearly out of the noise floor.

But it's not small right now is what I'm saying. Because we are seeing regional waves that are linked to demographics and what happened in 2008. And we are going to see it for a few years as 2008 caused quite a bit of economic disturbances in the hockey class.
 
But it's not small right now is what I'm saying. Because we are seeing regional waves that are linked to demographics and what happened in 2008. And we are going to see it for a few years as 2008 caused quite a bit of economic disturbances in the hockey class.

Okay, what is it then?
 
But it's not small right now is what I'm saying. Because we are seeing regional waves that are linked to demographics and what happened in 2008. And we are going to see it for a few years as 2008 caused quite a bit of economic disturbances in the hockey class.
What happened in 2008?
 
What happened in 2008?
Economic recession, but its a pretty far-fetched context to apply when you couple it with natality spikes years prior.

Also it wouldnt explain league-wide differences. The economic recession likely had a larger impact on marginalized families, communities that usually dont participate in hockey for lack of funds or willingness, anyway.

And then theres the fact that these kids were all munckin/timbits aged when it happened, youd think the impact wouldve been on 2019-2021 moreso.
 
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