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KevSkillz4

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Dvorskys skating is real ugly to look at but his net front game and shooting are elite. I don't think he will be a primary puck carrier at the next level at all, which is fine. He won't sustain the same strength advantage at the next level that he has with juniors. Monahan is a really good comparison. He's a better shooter but his passing and IQ arent as good IMO. I wouldn't be too upset with him at 7, he'll be a good player. Grants ultra bias absolutely is making people more negative about him which is pretty funny.

I don't think that Dvorsky skating is ugly. Not the best skater, but he skate well. He can be better, for sure. But he have underrated hands, great mature two-way game and elite shot like you said.
 

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How many people think 10+ years from now, this draft will have 7 300+ point players from the draft ?

1 after the 1st round. Technically only 5 as I rounded up Tom Wilson, but just shows how much 2012 sucked.
 
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Alright, so I watched the entire video and paid attention to the time stamps you gave.

I think the discrepancy between what you are saying and what I am saying is that what you are describing as "nice hands" is his puck protection ability. Which I have already talked about being a high level and a hallmark of his play.

His hands themselves, even in Grant's biased text (he's not an elite dangler), aren't anything more than average. He uses what he does have for hands with his edges and big body to keep possession of the puck, but he is rarely manipulative with his hands, he tends to do most of his manipulations with his head fakes and hips.

What I'd really like to see is Dvorsky have a delay and hands game off of his shot, his shot is never faked for the most part, he's shooting even if it is going to be blocked. Not a bad strategy when he shoots as well as he does.

As far as vision, he makes the first play, he's not a multi layer playmaker, he's not threatening cross-seam or through layers of defenders. He wants to get the puck into the first teammate, in the first pocket of space, even if there may be another play off his puck protection, or deeper into the zone. This isn't against men either, this is his own age group.

The lack of those things is my critique but that doesn't mean everything else he brings to the ice can't make him a productive player, it just caps the offensive potential compared to someone like Smith who's offensive tools, IQ, vision and hands opens up more plays and makes more players dangerous around him.



Hrabal improved his stock, if anything. He got tired and let in two bad goals late, but he was the only reason Czechia was close.
I think the discrepancy is that we are talking about different things in regards to “hands”. You are talking about play style, does he try and dangle people constantly like Will Smith? No. But you can see his hands are good within his puck protection, in fact it’s a big part of what makes his puck protection so good. He isn’t some giant using sheer size, he’s using strength, but he’s also using great puck control (hands).

In terms of passing I disagree again. He makes the right play, and he has shown a few times making no look plays as well, but his MO is making the right play- passing when he should to who he should. Is he a guy who forces And1 type passes like Will Smith? No. But he’s a very good passer, often operating as the QB during ozone possession.
 

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Disagree here.

Suzuki would have been picked top 5 in his draft if he was a "better package".

He had a good development for sure...

Smith has IMO better hands than Suzuki. He's way more creative as well (Suzuki on the PP is always the same curl at the blue line then shoot or cross seam pass) with the puck on his stick. He oozes talent, vision. Just needs to learn when to go for the flashy play and when to restrain himself a bit. Smith is also a better skater than Suzuki globally.

If Smith puts it together, he could become a first line offensive dynamo. Of course he could struggle and bust, but that can be said of almost any prospect.

If they were in the same draft, Smith would have been picked before Suzuki.

We'll see how he develops.


At #15 OA, it was kind of a no brainer... Had him at #5.

We could say they had almost no choice but to go with him at that point.
You're seeing Suzuki do these things at the highest level, much different than doing it in the U18. Smith may have slightly better handles than Suzuki but at a certain point, its moot because Suzuki is elite and he is much stronger on the puck.

I can't agree, Smiths main weakness isn't effort or wtv, it's skating. He's the worst skater out of the top 10, without a doubt.

Also, in a redraft Im pretty certain Suzuki goes at worst, 7th.

Look at Suzukis highlights in his draft year.


werent u just on the Benson bandwagon a few days ago?
Thats what Kev does, everyones amazing! He's the modern day Sbah.
 

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Yess, I'm high on Benson aswell, but I always said that Leonard he is one my favorite in this draft. That's a lot of guy to like at 5, 6 or 7. Very good talents at this year draft !!
Yes ive seen Smith but you always had Smith and Benson and even Benson over Smith not Leonard
its okay if you changed your mind was just asking
 

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Disagree here.

Suzuki would have been picked top 5 in his draft if he was a "better package".

He had a good development for sure...

Smith has IMO better hands than Suzuki. He's way more creative as well (Suzuki on the PP is always the same curl at the blue line then shoot or cross seam pass) with the puck on his stick. He oozes talent, vision. Just needs to learn when to go for the flashy play and when to restrain himself a bit. Smith is also a better skater than Suzuki globally.

If Smith puts it together, he could become a first line offensive dynamo. Of course he could struggle and bust, but that can be said of almost any prospect.

If they were in the same draft, Smith would have been picked before Suzuki.

We'll see how he develops.


At #15 OA, it was kind of a no brainer... Had him at #5.

We could say they had almost no choice but to go with him at that point.

Completely agree here. Smith is a much better prospect in his draft year than Suzuki was in his.

He’s a more creative offensive player with more tools to work with, not to say Suzuki isn’t great because he is.

Smith has legitimate #1C potential. Suzuki is likely a fringe #1 similar to Plekanec/Koivu.
 

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In the 5-6-7 range I really hope one of Reinbacher/Dvorsky is our pick. I'd be happy with Benson otherwise.

Don't want Smith.
 

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werent u just on the Benson bandwagon a few days ago?
I love Benson but there is a realistic scenario here where his style of game and size might limit his career to a shorter prime.

I have Benson being a better play maker and more creative than Leonard but Leonard is the better skater, the bigger player and has the better shot. I have a hard time justifying Benson over Leonard yet I have both between 5-7
 

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How many people think 10+ years from now, this draft will have 7 300+ point players from the draft ?

1 after the 1st round. Technically only 5 as I rounded up Tom Wilson, but just shows how much 2012 sucked.
2012 only had Yakupov and Galchy as forwards taken in the top 10. It was a dmen draft.

This year draft is a forwards one, it's like the total opposite to 2012...and I doubt Bedard turns into another Yakupov.
 

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2012 only had Yakupov and Galchy as forwards taken in the top 10. It was a dmen draft.

This year draft is a forwards one, it's like the total opposite to 2012...and I doubt Bedard turns into another Yakupov.
Yeah I did, but didn't mean to compare them.

Was just looking at it and how much it sucked
 

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Yeah I did, but didn't mean to compare them.

Was just looking at it and how much it sucked
our luck sucks with drafts

in 2012 we got 3rd overall which was Galchenyuk but the year before #3 was Landeskog

in 2018 we got 3rd overall which was Kotkaniemi but the year before #3 was Heiskanen

2022 1st overall = Slafkovsky but the year before Power and the year after Bedard
 

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Hrbal will be falling in the draft , he's having a hard time in the U18.

Leonard and Perreault is killing it , love these 2 guys.

Leonard at #17 would be a real luck

All the players we want are in the top 12, this includes Leonard. We won't get Dvorsky, Leonard or players like that at 17.
 

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Completely agree here. Smith is a much better prospect in his draft year than Suzuki was in his.

He’s a more creative offensive player with more tools to work with, not to say Suzuki isn’t great because he is.

Smith has legitimate #1C potential. Suzuki is likely a fringe #1 similar to Plekanec/Koivu.
This is classic recency bias.

It's useless trying to compare who's the better pre-draft prospect although the OHL is significantly a better predictor that the USNDT playing in the USHL with basically an all star cast.

And if I had a nickel for alll the legitimate 1st Line Centers that never pan out....
 
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The real problem with Benson is that he’s not at the U18 so he doesn’t have all the views and recent biases
Exactly.

Completely agree here. Smith is a much better prospect in his draft year than Suzuki was in his.

He’s a more creative offensive player with more tools to work with, not to say Suzuki isn’t great because he is.

Smith has legitimate #1C potential. Suzuki is likely a fringe #1 similar to Plekanec/Koivu.
Sounds like severe recency bias to me. Suzuki has a 100 points season in the OHL at 17, before the high scoring affairs started.

Both have similar upside, Smith does not have the skating nor the shot to be a top 15 C, Suzuki has better tools.
 
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