2023 NHL Entry Draft

[Hansman]

You're seeing Suzuki do these things at the highest level, much different than doing it in the U18. Smith may have slightly better handles than Suzuki but at a certain point, its moot because Suzuki is elite and he is much stronger on the puck.

I can't agree, Smiths main weakness isn't effort or wtv, it's skating. He's the worst skater out of the top 10, without a doubt.

Also, in a redraft Im pretty certain Suzuki goes at worst, 7th.

Look at Suzukis highlights in his draft year.



Thats what Kev does, everyones amazing! He's the modern day Sbah.

What ever became of Sbah?

 

[Jaynki]

our luck sucks with drafts

in 2012 we got 3rd overall which was Galchenyuk but the year before #3 was Landeskog

in 2018 we got 3rd overall which was Kotkaniemi but the year before #3 was Heiskanen

2022 1st overall = Slafkovsky but the year before Power and the year after Bedard

We could have had Brady Tkachuk or Quinn Hughes in 2018.

We could have had Morgan Rielly, Hampus Lindholm, Jacob Trouba, Filip Forsberg in 2012.

We will see for 2022.

Is it really our "bad luck"?

 

[le_sean]

There is too much talk about Dvorsky in this thread for no reason. The Habs are not picking another Slovak born player with their 6th-5th first round pick. That would only put more pressure on all 3 of them and the management. Getting Strbak, Honzek or Gajan is much more likely than Dvorsky. Don't see them picking Sale either.


I think both Sale and Dvorsky will most likely outperform whoever the Habs pick at 6th-7th that's just how the universe works...

I don’t agree with the idea of adding Dvorsky means more pressure for him to succeed. There will be pressure on any of these guys. If anything, Dvorsky would be well insulated by having two buddies in the organization, with one already living and established in Montreal.

The problem is the franchise falling in another hole by selecting a big, average skating European centre with limited offensive upside based on U18 tournament results when there are plenty of higher potential options available.

We get it, he’s dominant against his age group. Could that be because he’s 6’1 200lbs used to playing against men? Because while Slafkovsky was better as the season went on in his league and men’s tournaments, Dvorsky was not. He’s just showing us what we already knew.

 

[le_sean]

Alright, so I watched the entire video and paid attention to the time stamps you gave.

I think the discrepancy between what you are saying and what I am saying is that what you are describing as "nice hands" is his puck protection ability. Which I have already talked about being a high level and a hallmark of his play.

His hands themselves, even in Grant's biased text (he's not an elite dangler), aren't anything more than average. He uses what he does have for hands with his edges and big body to keep possession of the puck, but he is rarely manipulative with his hands, he tends to do most of his manipulations with his head fakes and hips.

What I'd really like to see is Dvorsky have a delay and hands game off of his shot, his shot is never faked for the most part, he's shooting even if it is going to be blocked. Not a bad strategy when he shoots as well as he does.

As far as vision, he makes the first play, he's not a multi layer playmaker, he's not threatening cross-seam or through layers of defenders. He wants to get the puck into the first teammate, in the first pocket of space, even if there may be another play off his puck protection, or deeper into the zone. This isn't against men either, this is his own age group.

The lack of those things is my critique but that doesn't mean everything else he brings to the ice can't make him a productive player, it just caps the offensive potential compared to someone like Smith who's offensive tools, IQ, vision and hands opens up more plays and makes more players dangerous around him.

More impressive to me today was Leonard’s goal that made it 2-0 against Czechia. Not only does he possess the same level of shot as Dvorsky, he showed his great skating by beating a defender outside and cutting in. He has more tools to work with.

 

[WeThreeKings]

What ever became of Sbah?

He was a very old gentleman, I'm gonna hope for the best and assume his family just transitioned him to a retirement community.

More impressive to me today was Leonard’s goal that made it 2-0 against Czechia. Not only does he possess the same level of shot as Dvorsky, he showed his great skating by beating a defender outside and cutting in. He has more tools to work with.

I agree 100%. Leonard plays hard and has more tools to work with. I do think Dvorsky is the better finisher and he does play C but I think Dvorsky is better pro at wing too

 

[WinterLion]

We could have had Brady Tkachuk or Quinn Hughes in 2018.

We could have had Morgan Rielly, Hampus Lindholm, Jacob Trouba, Filip Forsberg in 2012.

We will see for 2022.

Is it really our "bad luck"?

We also could have had Philip Zadina or Kravtsov in 2018 and Slater Koekoek, Griffin Reinhart, Derrick Pouliot or the guy all the hf experts wanted Grigerenko in 2012... it could have been worse...

 

[Schooner Guy]

We get it, he’s dominant against his age group. Could that be because he’s 6’1 200lbs used to playing against men? Because while Slafkovsky was better as the season went on in his league and men’s tournaments, Dvorsky was not. He’s just showing us what we already knew.

I think Dvorsky's offense continues to be underrated. He and Urban are carrying Slovakia on their backs. Imagine if he centered Perrault and Leonard and had USA's easy round robin schedule.

Other than Bedard, Dvorsky is younger than all the usual top 15 candidates in this draft.

Barkov's skating was critiqued and his offensive upside was badly underrated in his draft year on this board too and people here were in shock when he went #2 ahead of Drouin and S.Jones. The same went for Toews.

 

[rahad]

We also could have had Philip Zadina or Kravtsov in 2018 and Slater Koekoek, Griffin Reinhart, Derrick Pouliot or the guy all the hf experts wanted Grigerenko in 2012... it could have been worse...

Are you sure about that? Pretty sure it has the guys at RDS and Patrick Roy pushing his guy Grigerenko to be drafted by the habs.

We wanted Galchy or Forsberg.

 

[WinterLion]

Are you sure about that? Pretty sure it has the guys at RDS and Patrick Roy pushing his guy Grigerenko to be drafted by the habs.

We wanted Galchy or Forsberg.

You could be right... it was a long time ago

 

[Mrb1p]

We also could have had Philip Zadina or Kravtsov in 2018 and Slater Koekoek, Griffin Reinhart, Derrick Pouliot or the guy all the hf experts wanted Grigerenko in 2012... it could have been worse...

Not me. I wanted FF9 and his boyish good looks.

I think Dvorsky's offense continues to be underrated. He and Urban are carrying Slovakia on their backs. Imagine if he centered Perrault and Leonard and had USA's easy round robin schedule.

Other than Bedard, Dvorsky is younger than all the usual top 15 candidates in this draft.

Barkov's skating was critiqued and his offensive upside was badly underrated in his draft year on this board too and people here were in shock when he went #2 ahead of Drouin and S.Jones. The same went for Toews.

Barkovs offensive ceiling was never in doubt, not even up for debate. He was seen as an offensive dynamo. His skating was the only doubt about him.

There is no parallel to be drawn between Barkov and Dvorsky as prospect, and I quite like Dvorsky.

Are you sure about that? Pretty sure it has the guys at RDS and Patrick Roy pushing his guy Grigerenko to be drafted by the habs.

We wanted Galchy or Forsberg.

Yeah Grigorenko had a very large fanbase here.

 

[WinterLion]

Is Heidt above Cristall for you guys now? Are either in your top 20?

 

[Jaynki]

We also could have had Philip Zadina or Kravtsov in 2018 and Slater Koekoek, Griffin Reinhart, Derrick Pouliot or the guy all the hf experts wanted Grigerenko in 2012... it could have been worse...

Yes absolutely, it is a probability-based games and the misses are a normal occurences.

Tho, the other posters suggested we had bad luck with our high picks. I wanted to highlights that it was not bad luck, it was bad picks. We were very one the very few lucky teams to have the chance to get a huge star in the mold of Brady Tkachuk and we wiffed that.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Are you sure about that? Pretty sure it has the guys at RDS and Patrick Roy pushing his guy Grigerenko to be drafted by the habs.

We wanted Galchy or Forsberg.

I do remember nobody wanted Brady Tkachuk because he had too much character and not enough Skillzzzzzzz

 

[NotProkofievian]

Is Heidt above Cristall for you guys now? Are either in your top 20?

Nah. Rough tournament for Cristall so far, but he's obviously got a lot more firepower.

 

[Mrb1p]

Is Heidt above Cristall for you guys now? Are either in your top 20?

I had Cristall at 7 and Heidt at 9 in my latest ranking, wood at 10 and Smith at 8, the latter two will jump up the former and Ill see what happens with Leonard, Reinbacher, Lardis and others.

Nah. Rough tournament for Cristall so far, but he's obviously got a lot more firepower.

Yep. There we go .

 

[NotProkofievian]

And Cristall provides an example.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Unfortunately, Dvorsky is getting a bad rep because of Grant, which causes people to overcompensate and drop him lower than he should be.

I was generally disappointed by his regular season statistics-wise, but he does seem to rise to the occasion and it sure looks like he wants to be "The Guy" in important situations. Thinking back, last year around the WJC, I would've been very happy to know we'd get a chance at picking Dvorsky in 2023. I'm still a fan of Benson first, then Smith, then Dvorsky/Reinbacher is a toss-up for me but objectively, all of them would be our best prospect right now.

If I'm looking at how Dvorsky would fit in our long-term top-6, I actually think he'd be best as a top-6 C, paired with Caufield and Suzuki. Dvorsky wouldn't be the main producer (see Bergeron with Marchand and Pastrnak) but his all-around game and above-average finishing would be tremendous for the other two. I do think that this is the best pathway to Suzuki being a sustainably dominant offensive force.

I don t understand the disappointment. He has been destroying J20, has scored as a reasonable pace in Allensvenskan for a top 10 pick. That s what I said about Slaf, did not like production for a 1OA but fine by me with a Rantanen pick close between 5-10OA. Add to that that Dvorsky is a center who has a great shot, seems like a good 5-7OA

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

He was a very old gentleman, I'm gonna hope for the best and assume his family just transitioned him to a retirement community.



I agree 100%. Leonard plays hard and has more tools to work with. I do think Dvorsky is the better finisher and he does play C but I think Dvorsky is better pro at wing too

Dvorsky is the most pure center in this draft, no way does he move to wing.

And Cristall provides an example.

Cristall at 17 would give the high skill posters what they want if we go Dvorsky at 5/6

 

[NotProkofievian]

Dvorsky is the most pure center in this draft, no way does he move to wing.


Cristall at 17 would give the high skill posters what they want if we go Dvorsky at 5/6

Agreed. Dvorsky has basically nothing that I want in a winger, and a lot of what I want in a center.

And yeah Cristall at 17 might actually happen. Cristall, Wood, or Barlow might actually make it there.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Just need another pick to draft Leonard

 

[junyab]

I do remember nobody wanted Brady Tkachuk because he had too much character and not enough Skillzzzzzzz

I thought it was all positional, we had to get a #1C.

 

[Mrb1p]

I do remember nobody wanted Brady Tkachuk because he had too much character and not enough Skillzzzzzzz

No we just argued Tkachuk wasnt what the Habs needed.

Just need another pick to draft Leonard

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No to Perrault at 17.

Musty at 37 would be very nice though

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Agreed. Dvorsky has basically nothing that I want in a winger, and a lot of what I want in a center.

And yeah Cristall at 17 might actually happen. Cristall, Wood, or Barlow might actually make it there.

After the “big 6” you’ve got Benson, Yager, Leonard, Sale, Reinbacher, Moore, Perrault all going before Cristall I’d say. At 17 he’d be a great gamble.

I thought it was all positional, we had to get a #1C.

It was both.

 

[junyab]

How does Dvorsky compare to Jacob De La Rose at the same age?

 

[Mrb1p]

After the “big 6” you’ve got Benson, Yager, Leonard, Sale, Reinbacher, Moore, Perrault all going before Cristall I’d say. At 17 he’d be a great gamble.


It was both.

Lmao mans self-appoints a "big 6" and leaves Reinbacherr/ enson out of it

How does Dvorsky compare to Jacob De La Rose at the same age?

DLR was a better skater and had similar tools but he always had trouble offensively. Dvorsky has his shot and that should make him an okay to good offensive player alone.