2023 NHL Entry Draft

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

0 Doubt. Im still trying to figure out who has the lowest motor between Smith and Musty. Moore is more suited for the wing though and will likely end up there at the NHL level.

How does Musty use his size?

Like Armia, like Matt Martin, combination of both, or something else ?

 

[SamHabsFan]

0 Doubt. Im still trying to figure out who has the lowest motor between Smith and Musty. Moore is more suited for the wing though and will likely end up there at the NHL level

I feel like this is such a tough draft to predict after 4... we will probably have a better idea once the lottery's done. some teams will probably go for needs in the top 10.

Im looking at Anaheim, they are the only team in the top 4 that has 2 top 6 centers, if they win the lottery and draft Bedard, it could force San Jose to reach for a center at 4th and thus, mitchkov fall to the habs! If we can draft MIchkov, and somehow trade up to secure Reinbacher with de FLA pick, that would be a tremendous draft

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Posting this video again because it is so good, the announcer really sets the stage well

 

[Goldenhands]

I feel like this is such a tough draft to predict after 4... we will probably have a better idea once the lottery's done. some teams will probably go for needs in the top 10.

Im looking at Anaheim, they are the only team in the top 4 that has 2 top 6 centers, if they win the lottery and draft Bedard, it could force San Jose to reach for a center at 4th and thus, mitchkov fall to the habs! If we can draft MIchkov, and somehow trade up to secure Reinbacher with de FLA pick, that would be a tremendous draft

Yep thats all over the map after 4, personally I have Reinbacher and Dvorsky 5, 6 OV. Thats a sad situation for Michkov, could drop further than expected depending the inside infos teams have.

 

[Mrb1p]

You're right..

Ethan Gauthier​

Beautiful little petit gars de chez nous with a beautiful Quebecois name

Ethan is Nathe upside down. He's gonna fight at a golf course.

after watching that, I think id rather draft Moore and Perron instead of leonard and smith haha, obviously its only 1 game but, very impressive stuff. If Moore was given the 1st line center role would he be in front of Smith in rankings?

No, I don't think so. Moore has a very good skill set, but he is limited in upside by his lack of vision, creativity, hands and shot. He scores okay-ish in all of them, but he's not elite anywhere (Except skating.).

I struggle with finding a guy that is like him in the NHL. There's Athanasiou and there's Larkin, Larkin is quite a bit bigger though.

How does Musty use his size?

Like Armia, like Matt Martin, combination of both, or something else ?

When? When he's on top of his game or the rest of the time ? When he's on, he's Armia and Anderson into one beast. Tools wise, he's like Dach.

The problem is when he's not on, and how often he's not. This year, I had him in the 2nd round, he was very bad. Then I watched him 3 games in a row and he looked like he was about to give Bedard a run for his money, a true prototypical dream hockey player, lol. He's been better lately and since the coach changed, but I still caught a game of him in january where he floated all game, didn't cut in the middle once, threw passes up the middle without looking, and the typical Drouin stuff.

I'd stay away, I think. Seems too good to be true, and the bust factor is high. I have him 22, I think.

I feel like this is such a tough draft to predict after 4... we will probably have a better idea once the lottery's done. some teams will probably go for needs in the top 10.

Im looking at Anaheim, they are the only team in the top 4 that has 2 top 6 centers, if they win the lottery and draft Bedard, it could force San Jose to reach for a center at 4th and thus, mitchkov fall to the habs! If we can draft MIchkov, and somehow trade up to secure Reinbacher with de FLA pick, that would be a tremendous draft

#5 is easy to predict. There's 3 possibilities. Benson, Reinbacher or Smith. The rest will be reach, the rest will be off the board.

The top 10 is pretty easy to predict.

Bedard, Fantilli, Michkov, Carlsson, Benson, Smith, Reinbacher, Barlow, Leonard and Yager.
Danielson, Dvorsky and Moore may get in instead of the last four, but Im pretty sure thats it.

Posting this video again because it is so good, the announcer really sets the stage well

I love Leonard so much. He really does seem like the perfect linemate to CC and suze.

 

[Goldenhands]

How does Musty use his size?

Like Armia, like Matt Martin, combination of both, or something else ?

He is pretty soft for a big guy, I just dont see it, bad skater as well, have him on my no draft. Basically the Rafael Lavoie of this draft for me.

 

[Schooner Guy]

I seemed to recall Bergeron playing at RW with perry and Crosby, but thats a long time ago maybe Im wrong. Anyway, the point stands, wherever you play before your draft doesn't mean thats where you should play and coaches do what coaches will do.

A lot go from wing to center, its the most common shift, I think. Especially when playing either as a U19 in the WJC or as a U19 in pro leagues, like in Carlssons case.

Aside from his coaches, what makes you think he's a winger at the next level ?

I'm largely going by years of observations that it's not very often that a player switches from wing to center in the NHL after having key development years on the wing. He could end up at center. He has the creativity. It may depend on the team that drafts him and what their forward lineup/depth looks like. The Flyers drafted Cutter Gauthier at #5 last year with center in mind even though he played the wing. We shall see.

 

[Goldenhands]

I'm largely going by years of observations that it's not very often that a player switches from wing to center in the NHL after having key development years on the wing. He could end up at center. He has the creativity. It may depend on the team that drafts him and what their forward lineup/depth looks like. The Flyers drafted Cutter Gauthier at #5 last year with center in mind even though he played the wing. We shall see.

Most young players start on the wing in the SHL, thats the way it is, the reason why their center line is rather weak most WJCs. I think LC has the tools, size and smart to be a center, but we will see.

 

[Mrb1p]

I'm largely going by years of observations that it's not very often that a player switches from wing to center in the NHL after having key development years on the wing. He could end up at center. He has the creativity. It may depend on the team that drafts him and what their forward lineup/depth looks like. The Flyers drafted Cutter Gauthier at #5 last year with center in mind even though he played the wing. We shall see.

Zegras, Suzuki, Stutzle, Kotkaniemi, Pettersson are all recent examples of centers that either split time at C and W or were mostly used as wingers in their draft years and further.

I'm not scared at all when I see this, if a player has a skillset and the willingness to play C, he will do it.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Most young players start on the wing in the SHL, thats the way it is, the reason why their center line is rather weak most WJCs. I think LC has the tools, size and smart to be a center, but we will see.

It should also be pointed out that Carlsson has actually split time at center and wing in the SHL and was exclusively a center prior to entering a top men's pro league as a child.

Imo I would be shocked to see him developed as anything other than a center by his NHL club.

 

[Playmaker09]

Zegras, Suzuki, Stutzle, Kotkaniemi, Pettersson are all recent examples of centers that either split time at C and W or were mostly used as wingers in their draft years and further.

I'm not scared at all when I see this, if a player has a skillset and the willingness to play C, he will do it.

Our boy PLD too.

 

[Mrb1p]

Our boy PLD too.

Did he ? Creampof, my memory is failing me lately.

 

[Playmaker09]

Did he ? Creampof, my memory is failing me lately.

Yeah he split time at C/W in his draft year, and was almost exclusively a W in his D-1.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

#5 is easy to predict. There's 3 possibilities. Benson, Reinbacher or Smith. The rest will be reach, the rest will be off the board.

The top 10 is pretty easy to predict.

Bedard, Fantilli, Michkov, Carlsson, Benson, Smith, Reinbacher, Barlow, Leonard and Yager.
Danielson, Dvorsky and Moore may get in instead of the last four, but Im pretty sure thats it.

I think you are confusing media consensus with reality. Things rarely go as predicted, especially months before the draft.

 

[Mrb1p]

I think you are confusing media consensus with reality. Things rarely go as predicted, especially months before the draft.

What media ?

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

What media ?

Draft expert consensus.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Posting this video again because it is so good, the announcer really sets the stage well

Wow, what a goal.

 

[ReHabs]

Who has the bigger bust potential between Carlsson and Fantilli?

 

[Hannibal]

I’m leaning on Leonard’s bandwagon for our pick if we pick 5 or 6.

 

[morhilane]

Who has the bigger bust potential between Carlsson and Fantilli?

Carlsson, the SHL to NHL transition isn't an easy one and he's a few years away development wise.

Fantilli has less risks and should be in the NHL next season.

 

[Jaynki]

after watching that, I think id rather draft Moore and Perron instead of leonard and smith haha, obviously its only 1 game but, very impressive stuff. If Moore was given the 1st line center role would he be in front of Smith in rankings?

Perron has sick skills man. But he is another smallish winger. He will be an awesome get for the team that will get him. I would not be mad with picking him in the 2nd round even tho we already have like 3-4 similar prospects.

Id be happy with Moore at 5 too if management feels he is our guy. Terrific skating skills. He has that separation speed. Number are lower but he did not have the linemates of Smith. I do prefer Smith but i would not be mad with any of Moore or Leonard even at 5.

 

[jellybeans]

0 Doubt. Im still trying to figure out who has the lowest motor between Smith and Musty. Moore is more suited for the wing though and will likely end up there at the NHL level.

Musty is a turn over machine lot of of offensive upside but he will get destroyed in the upper levels of hockey.

 

[Jaynki]

Who has the bigger bust potential between Carlsson and Fantilli?

How do we define bust potential? How do we measure it?

I think the team drafting 2nd overall that will have to choose between them. Its a question of preference at this point and i believe at this point the interview processes and knowing the player deeper is becoming very important.

 

[ReHabs]

How do we define bust potential? How do we measure it?

I think the team drafting 2nd overall that will have to choose between them. Its a question of preference at this point and i believe at this point the interview processes and knowing the player deeper is becoming very important.

I don't follow prospects or amateur hockey so that's why I asked but I define Bust Potential by a series of factors

1) streakiness in production -- does he score in spurts? is he impetuous or moody as a player?
2) manner of production -- what is the player's production ratio between EV : PP : PK?
3) utilization -- TOI and quality of opposition
4) physical and physiological attributes like skating stride, physical stature, etc.
5) "intangibles" (a very problematic aspect to define)
6) environment and status among his current peers

If a player is streaky, I think that contributes to his bust potential. If he doesn't produce at EV, same thing. If he's not trusted with TOI or important TOI, same thing. If he has a strange stride, I hold it against him. If he's not a 'Chad' or self-confident or if he's strange in any way, I hold it against him too (not on a personal level -- Lord knows hockey needs more variety and personalities, but it makes the player harder to understand for some of the NHL old boy dinosaurs). If he's not among the best of his division/league/environment, I hold that against the player too.

 

[Jaynki]

I don't follow prospects or amateur hockey so that's why I asked but I define Bust Potential by a series of factors

1) streakiness in production -- does he score in spurts? is he impetuous or moody as a player?
2) manner of production -- what is the player's production ratio between EV : PP : PK?
3) utilization -- TOI and quality of opposition
4) physical and physiological attributes like skating stride, physical stature, etc.
5) "intangibles" (a very problematic aspect to define)
6) environment and status among his current peers

If a player is streaky, I think that contributes to his bust potential. If he doesn't produce at EV, same thing. If he's not trusted with TOI or important TOI, same thing. If he has a strange stride, I hold it against him. If he's not a 'Chad' or self-confident or if he's strange in any way, I hold it against him too (not on a personal level -- Lord knows hockey needs more variety and personalities, but it makes the player harder to understand for some of the NHL old boy dinosaurs). If he's not among the best of his division/league/environment, I hold that against the player too.

Très intéressant. i would have to dig deeper and more knowledgeable poster could post their grain of salt.

I don't think there are any glaring issues with any of Carlsson or Fantilli in the point you mentioned. Fantilli might be a bit weird but thats it.