2023 NHL Entry Draft

[WeThreeKings]

He looked like a smooth puckhandler in the limited time I saw him.

Do you see him going earlier than projected?

I think there's a chance he sneaks into round 1.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Oh f***! Not Bader again. The same spazz who claimed Jake Sanderson had a 40% chance of being an NHLer.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Regressing in point equivalency isn’t a good sign in a draft year. I like Sale, but not in the top 10.

Šalé has fantastic, yeah i said fantastic production for d0 kid in czech league. That twitter guy is one of the many stat watchers, and knows nothing about czech extraliga. I am confident that Šalé will come to AHL and tears it up like nobodys business.

 

[Habby Patty]

Šalé has fantastic, yeah i said fantastic production for d0 kid in czech league. That twitter guy is one of the many stat watchers, and knows nothing about czech extraliga. I am confident that Šalé will come to AHL and tears it up like nobodys business.

Just like Kulich is now, one of the guys I wanted at 26 along with Hutson and Lambert

 

[le_sean]

Šalé has fantastic, yeah i said fantastic production for d0 kid in czech league. That twitter guy is one of the many stat watchers, and knows nothing about czech extraliga. I am confident that Šalé will come to AHL and tears it up like nobodys business.

It’s a point equivalency, not an opinion. It remains that it has regressed for him.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Oh f***! Not Bader again. The same spazz who claimed Jake Sanderson had a 40% chance of being an NHLer.

Why do people quote these limp **** beta's?

Bader knows nothing about hockey or any competitive physical sport. Always be wary of people who rely on stats to entirely form their narrative as opposed to supporting their observations. Heavy reliance on stats is virtually always due to the fact that the author does not have the ability and/or experience to form a credible, accurate and detailed/nuanced report through observation.

The Bader's of the hockey world are essentially reducing hockey players to Dungeons and Dragons characters. I would love to see this bed wetter trying to espouse his nonsense in a room of actual NHL players and scouts lol. He would be rightfully ridiculed and entirely dismissed.

Yeah.....this stuff triggers me lol

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

If Michkov is available and Hugo passes, I can’t see a scenario that they would draft a player from Russia later on. It wouldn’t make sense.

But is Ukrainian so it eliminates the moral concern of drafting out of Russia, also he is only under contract for 2 more years instead of 3.

Being of Ukrainian heritage AND wanting to move to the USA may raise more issues for him though

 

[David Suzuki]

The Bader's of the hockey world are essentially reducing hockey players to Dungeons and Dragons characters. I would love to see this bed wetter trying to espouse his nonsense in a room of actual NHL players and scouts lol. He would be rightfully ridiculed and entirely dismissed.

A room full of NHL scouts and executives decided Grant Mccagg was good enough to trust scouting prospects. A room full of NHL scouts decided Cam York was a better pick than Cole Caufield.

 

[montreal]

A room full of NHL scouts and executives decided Grant Mccagg was good enough to trust scouting prospects.

That's not how I would put it. He is/was highly connected because of who he is related to.

 

[David Suzuki]

That's not how I would put it. He is/was highly connected because of who he is related to.

Who is he related to?

 

[Mrb1p]

Cristall linked to KH.

You guys boutta lose it.

 

[Michelangelo]

Cristall linked to KH.

You guys boutta lose it.

Link?

 

[le_sean]

Why do people quote these limp **** beta's?

Bader knows nothing about hockey or any competitive physical sport. Always be wary of people who rely on stats to entirely form their narrative as opposed to supporting their observations. Heavy reliance on stats is virtually always due to the fact that the author does not have the ability and/or experience to form a credible, accurate and detailed/nuanced report through observation.

The Bader's of the hockey world are essentially reducing hockey players to Dungeons and Dragons characters. I would love to see this bed wetter trying to espouse his nonsense in a room of actual NHL players and scouts lol. He would be rightfully ridiculed and entirely dismissed.

Yeah.....this stuff triggers me lol

The only limp dick betas are the ones that can’t handle the fact that there are stats being presented as a SINGLE VIEWPOINT. It’s not supposed to be everything you consider. To get upset at it is ridiculous.

I mean for f*** sakes, you’re on a message board where people are constantly talking out of their ass and can post anything. This is basically the Facebook of Hockey, but you criticize someone putting actual work in and presenting a new datapoint.

If you don’t like it, don’t quote it. Just ignore it and move on or present an argument as to why you don’t think it fits for Player A.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

A room full of NHL scouts and executives decided Grant Mccagg was good enough to trust scouting prospects. A room full of NHL scouts decided Cam York was a better pick than Cole Caufield.

A room full of scouts and executives did not hire Grant McCagg....Trevor Timmins who is a friend from the same area in Ottawa brought McCagg in and I believe it was just for one season. You have unwittingly proved my point as one man brought him in and he was quickly dispatched when exposed to the rest of the staff. To be fair Mccagg isn't clueless as much as he is stubborn/obtuse and he has certainly made a fool of himself by by digging in and refusing to admit the same mistakes that every scout makes. He also seems to be more prone to outrageous clickbait now that he is running his own site. He is still more knowledgeable than the vast majority of message board contributors but has found his niche and that is not as a pro scout but as a fringe amateur scout.

As far as York/Caufield...what is your point? Nobody in the business remotely claims that scouting is anything even close to an exact science.

Create as many false equivalencies as you like, it does nothing to support listening to clowns like Bader and Mitch Brown.

Every profession has a spectrum of competence and to condemn any profession based on its weakest contributors is dishonest and intentionally misleading. I don't mind listening to the guy even if I often don't agree with what he is saying because at least it is based on observation and that is how scouting works.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

The only limp dick betas are the ones that can’t handle the fact that there are stats being presented as a SINGLE VIEWPOINT. It’s not supposed to be everything you consider. To get upset at it is ridiculous.

I mean for f*** sakes, you’re on a message board where people are constantly talking out of their ass and can post anything. This is basically the Facebook of Hockey, but you criticize someone putting actual work in and presenting a new datapoint.

If you don’t like it, don’t quote it. Just ignore it and move on or present an argument as to why you don’t think it fits for Player A.

Don't suggest what I can and can not talk about.

If I find a source to be incompetent and that source is creating an ill informed discussion I will speak up as anyone should including those who support the source in question.

Bader's model is a primitive attempt to explain something that he doesn't understand and it fails miserably.

Sounds like you should take your own advice, "If you don’t like it, don’t quote it. Just ignore it and move on" or does that just apply to people who you don't agree with lol.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Cristall linked to KH.

You guys boutta lose itit

 

[David Suzuki]

A room full of scouts and executives did not hire Grant McCagg....Trevor Timmins who is a friend from the same area in Ottawa brought McCagg in and I believe it was just for one season. You have unwittingly proved my point as one man brought him in and he was quickly dispatched when exposed to the rest of the staff. To be fair Mccagg isn't clueless as much as he is stubborn/obtuse and he has certainly made a fool of himself by by digging in and refusing to admit the same mistakes that every scout makes. He also seems to be more prone to outrageous clickbait now that he is running his own site. He is still more knowledgeable than the vast majority of message board contributors but has found his niche and that is not as a pro scout but as a fringe amateur scout.

As far as York/Caufield...what is your point? Nobody in the business remotely claims that scouting is anything even close to an exact science.

Create as many false equivalencies as you like, it does nothing to support listening to clowns like Bader and Mitch Brown.

Every profession has a spectrum of competence and to condemn any profession based on its weakest contributors is dishonest and intentionally misleading. I don't mind listening to the guy even if I often don't agree with what he is saying because at least it is based on observation and that is how scouting works.

never suggested you listen to them just pointing out black and white thinking about something as complex as scouting is a bit silly

 

[bcv]

But is Ukrainian so it eliminates the moral concern of drafting out of Russia, also he is only under contract for 2 more years instead of 3.

Being of Ukrainian heritage AND wanting to move to the USA may raise more issues for him though

But was born in Yaroslavl, Russia, no?

Edited because I typed before I thought.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

never suggested you listen to them just pointing out black and white thinking about something as complex as scouting is a bit silly

Exactly, and that is essentially what Bader is doing, reducing "scouting" to a value based on a grotesquely flawed model where observation is meaningless and stats without context are everything (many of the leagues that he is basing this comparative analysis on don't even track the majority of stats that are crucial to building proper context). He is perpetuating the lowest level of scouting and reducing the experts to meaningless contributors. Only a person who has no idea what is actually happening on the ice would even present such a foolish model.

I realize that my tone is probably too harsh considering the nature of the topic but there seriously is too much pseudo nonsense in the world today where the clueless are leading the clueless down rabbit holes that keep resurfacing around me. I am in whack-a mole mode right now lol and apologize if my comments resulted in collateral damage to other posters.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

But was born in Yaroslavl, Russia, no?

Even if he really was Ukrainian, him playing in Russia after they attacked his home country would be enough for me to put him on my No Draft list.

Don’t want spineless players.

But is the more Ukrainian spelling of the last name, Bout is more common for Russians (Like Viktor Bout, arms dealer)

His father Anton But, was born in Ukraine but played in the KHL and gained Russian citizenship and played for the Russian national team. I'm not too familiar with how relations were back then, but I assume this would be standard practice for any elite hockey prospect born in Ukraine.

 

[Jaynki]

Yeah it's just his model but it's always going to have a whole lot of outliers for various reasons.. but whatever he gets attention on it, all good.

Someone like Sawchyn is gonna get wrecked by the model since his ice-time is low as he's on a stacked team.

Well his model is well presented and the cards are easy and nice to look at. They give a simple (but flawed) answer to a complex question. Its fast food for the casual fan. Happy for him if its popular and if he can have a nice income for it.

Now, Would you prefer Sawchyn or Bjarnason/Fowler with our 2nd? (Assuming both options are available)

 

[MarkovsKnee]

He looked like a smooth puckhandler in the limited time I saw him.

Do you see him going earlier than projected?

I think Sawchyn goes 1st round. Probably 22-32.

Russians will fall. Only Michkov goes 1st round. But, Gulyayev & Simashev will fall into 2nd round.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Cristall linked to KH.

You guys boutta lose it.

KH?

Kingdom Hearts?

 

[SlafySZN]

Zach Benson said he spoke quite a bit with the habs already, in his interview with Anthony Martineau.


Smith said he hasn't really been in contact with them yet.

 

[SlafySZN]

Daniil But is of Ukrainian heritage as well so Hughes can't get canceled for drafting him. His father was born in Ukraine and played hockey in Russia becoming a citizen

I would absolutely snatch him with the Panthers pick.