2023 NHL Entry Draft

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Did you see Bedard's built? Similar to Crosby.



Mix of Crosby is Lafleur is what I'm thinking + some Matthews in the mix.
I'm sorry Bedards quads are not legendary status like what Crosby's always were. Even when he was drafted I remember Bob Mackenzie specifically saying that he has a huge lower unit lol
 
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I'm sorry Bedards quads are not legendary status like what Crosby's always were. Even when he was drafted I remember Bob Mackenzie specifically saying that he has a huge lower unit lol
Crosby when he turned 17? nope. Sorry - Crosby is someone I scouted heavily. They have comparable built at the same age. Mac said this for nearly 18 years old Crosby (1 year later).

9 months ago...
 
Crosby when he turned 17? nope. Sorry - Crosby is someone I scouted heavily. They have comparable built at the same age. Mac said this for nearly 18 years old Crosby (1 year later).

9 months ago...

Maybe we'll see. Anything can happen. Bedard could start taking TRT and start looking like Vitor Belfort for all we know
 
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Talk about over-hype. How can anyone make any judgements watching the crap we have been subjected to. I see an elite shooter with lack of size. I get it he's 17 but as we saw with Wright - superlatives are never given - they are earned. I wouldn't be surprised if the gap closes because once it's your draft year and you are the number 1 prospects, scouts become much more focussed on your complete game.
Beware of the consensus. It impairs critical analysis. The preliminary games against inferior opposition are largely over. Let’s see how Bedard and the other anointed superstars do against the big boys. Who can carry/drive the play and who require excuses to sustain the consensus?
 
Talk about over-hype. How can anyone make any judgements watching the crap we have been subjected to. I see an elite shooter with lack of size. I get it he's 17 but as we saw with Wright - superlatives are never given - they are earned. I wouldn't be surprised if the gap closes because once it's your draft year and you are the number 1 prospects, scouts become much more focussed on your complete game.
You are defying the comfort of the consensus. Be prepared for the expected push back and scorn.
 
Talk about over-hype. How can anyone make any judgements watching the crap we have been subjected to. I see an elite shooter with lack of size. I get it he's 17 but as we saw with Wright - superlatives are never given - they are earned. I wouldn't be surprised if the gap closes because once it's your draft year and you are the number 1 prospects, scouts become much more focussed on your complete game.

Over-hype: do you see any other D-year player at this tournament performing remotely close?

They are not even at the tournament haha.

You can't bust hype without comparables. Let's see how Yager and Fantilli do in December...
Some of us have been watching Bedard, like we've watched Wright, for years. These 2 are not even in the same conversation. Wright never had "it". I and others were downranking Wright last September-October based on the first season games (breaking total consensus), we are hardly following the consensus - I'm not ranking Bedard first based on the consensus that's for sure - he needs to become more explosively fast - but he's so far ahead offensively that it's hard to conceive anyone catching up (unless we could rank Michkov fairly).

I think Bedard and Michkov are 18 months ahead in offensive development vs. the rest of the pack. Bedard looks at ease with 19 years old, Michkov looks at ease in the pros, at 17. I suspect Yager/Fantilli/Dvorsky/Carlsson will close that gap to 1 year by the end of the year. Dvorsky looked too slow and struggling at this tournament, he'll look a lot better in December when many of the 19 years old are gone.

Beware of the consensus. It impairs critical analysis. The preliminary games against inferior opposition are largely over. Let’s see how Bedard and the other anointed superstars do against the big boys. Who can carry/drive the play and who require excuses to sustain the consensus?

I think you are in love with being apart (in opposition) from the consensus, it's not a better bias.
 
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Crosby when he turned 17? nope. Sorry - Crosby is someone I scouted heavily. They have comparable built at the same age. Mac said this for nearly 18 years old Crosby (1 year later).

9 months ago...

I had this video in mind, kid has huge quads for his age. When he's 23+, he should be tough to shove. Low center gravity + strong lower body
 
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Don't throw rocks at me, but I think Michkov is slightly better than Bedard. Michkov bring elite tools just as Bedard. But with Michkov, you add the insane hockey IQ on top of that.

Don't get me wrong, Bedard has a really good hockey IQ. He will go first overall with all the external factors.
But as we speak right now, I really think Michkov's brain is a notch superior.

That's all
 
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Don't throw rocks at me, but I think Michkov is slightly better than Bedard. Michkov bring elite tools just as Bedard. But with Michkov, you add the insane hockey IQ on top of that.

Don't get me wrong, Bedard has a really good hockey IQ. He will go first overall with all the external factors.
But as we speak right now, I really think Michkov's brain is a notch superior.

That's all
I think they're different. Michkov will never have the goal scoring ability of Bedard and Bedard will never have the playmaking ability of michkov
 
Don't throw rocks at me, but I think Michkov is slightly better than Bedard. Michkov bring elite tools just as Bedard. But with Michkov, you add the insane hockey IQ on top of that.

Don't get me wrong, Bedard has a really good hockey IQ. He will go first overall with all the external factors.
But as we speak right now, I really think Michkov's brain is a notch superior.

That's all
Michkov is an exceptional talent as well, everytime I watch him I see a Russian Sidney Crosby. Both have the potential to be franchise players. I think Michkov is ahead right now as well in term of development, but I would never bet against that Bedard kid, thats for sure.
 
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This is net new really, because those sticks didn't exist before.
I mean thats not exactly true, the composite stick has been around for years with minor technological upgrades.

Id say its more on Bedard himself that somehow "invented" new shooting mechanics.

His follow through motion is akin to an in-stride slapshot but as a wrister. His power is insane and hes using the entirety of his stick flex in that way. Most great shooters like Ovi and Matthews shoot in traditional ways from a tripod stance with shoulder whip. Kessel has a very weird two points in-stride wrister that uses a lot of whip too.

Anyway, cool stuff.
 
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I mean thats not exactly true, the composite stick has been around for years with minor technological upgrades.

Id say its more on Bedard himself that somehow "invented" new shooting mechanics.

His follow through motion is akin to an in-stride slapshot but as a wrister. His power is insane and hes using the entirety of his stick flex in that way. Most great shooters like Ovi and Matthews shoot in traditional ways from a tripod stance with shoulder whip. Kessel has a very weird two points in-stride wrister that uses a lot of whip too.

Anyway, cool stuff.

The composite sticks of the past 10 years are net new, they have increased bend resistance tremendously vs. the 2010 versions - Bedard is just the first of many on this - but Bedard's generation are the firsts who got these sticks early enough to invent stuff.

I do wonder if Bedard's shot is sustainable physically.
 
Even with Michkov's contract, I'd go with him if he falls to Montreal's spot. I don't care if it takes a few years before he comes over. It takes a few years even for guys like Lafreniere, Barkov, Mackinnon to become franchise level. In fact, the team would be getting a superstar on an ELC at the moment they'll be ready to compete.
 
Even with Michkov's contract, I'd go with him if he falls to Montreal's spot. I don't care if it takes a few years before he comes over. It takes a few years even for guys like Lafreniere, Barkov, Mackinnon to become franchise level. In fact, the team would be getting a superstar on an ELC at the moment they'll be ready to compete.
Yeah for me it's criminal to let Michkov drop past 3. I get if at 2 you weigh the cost benefits and prefer to take the best center between 2-6 but even then he's clearly the BPA at the top of the draft with Bedard
 
Even with Michkov's contract, I'd go with him if he falls to Montreal's spot. I don't care if it takes a few years before he comes over. It takes a few years even for guys like Lafreniere, Barkov, Mackinnon to become franchise level. In fact, the team would be getting a superstar on an ELC at the moment they'll be ready to compete.
I agree. But wasn't the rumor in the last draft that MTL wouldn't draft any Russians? Really hope that's not the case with Michkov and this management group is not that ignorant and stubborn to pass on a player of his talent.
 
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