2023 NHL Entry Draft

[HuGo Sham]

The speculation is wild about who goes after Bedard.
Has the lottery date been announced yet?
I feel like we'll end up in the top 5 but things could get a
bit whacky if Michkov is ignored or someone needs a Dman more
and reaches for Reinbacher in the top 5

 

[K2MyEverest]

The speculation is wild about who goes after Bedard.
Has the lottery date been announced yet?
I feel like we'll end up in the top 5 but things could get a
bit whacky if Michkov is ignored or someone needs a Dman more
and reaches for Reinbacher in the top 5

The lottery is usually just before the first playoff matchup

If they dont win Bedard I hope for one of Smith, Benson and will settle for Cristall.

 

[Mrb1p]

I think we are in for a lots of surprise outside of Bedard at #1.

Already the noise is that the scouts ranking is very fluid and changing months-to-months. Add the "it's not even a special draft outside of Bedard" talk lately and teams will be scrambling for floor and size.

If anyone says its not a special draft, they should just get booed. Loss of credibility x1000.

 

[Doublechin]

If anyone says its not a special draft, they should just get booed. Loss of credibility x1000.

Who's said it wasn't special that has slight relevance in the scouting community?

You've got people saying Barlow is ranked around 10 yet playing hockey that gets drafted top 5 in most years. You've got 3 or 4 players ranked from 5 to 13 that are considerably better than Cooley and Slaf from last year.

This is by far the best top 10-15 since I cant remember when

 

[le_sean]

Who's said it wasn't special that has slight relevance in the scouting community?

You've got people saying Barlow is ranked around 10 yet playing hockey that gets drafted top 5 in most years. You've got 3 or 4 players ranked from 5 to 13 that are considerably better than Cooley and Slaf from last year.

This is by far the best top 10-15 since I cant remember when

I don’t think anyone from 5-13 is considerably better than Cooley and Slaf. Benson yes (though I argue the real tier after Bedard is 2-5 then drops after Benson), but no one else really stands above them.

 

[Goldenhands]

I just don’t see Fantilli dropping from 2. I agree we could have a surprise at 3 though. But a good sized offensive dynamo Canadian centre? Don’t see any way he drops. The closest natural centre at the next level to him is who, Will Smith? Yeah, not happening.

Personally I would pick Carlsson over Fantilli since I think he has what it takes to be a center and I like his tools better, but you are probably right that he is ranked 2nd on most lists and should logically go 2nd.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I think we are in for a lots of surprise outside of Bedard at #1.

Already the noise is that the scouts ranking is very fluid and changing months-to-months. Add the "it's not even a special draft outside of Bedard" talk lately and teams will be scrambling for floor and size.

The fact that teams like Washington, Detroit & Nashville decided to sell to improve their draft position says a lot about the top 15 of this draft.

 

[morhilane]

The fact that teams like Washington, Detroit & Nashville decided to sell to improve their draft position says a lot about the top 15 of this draft.

Washington traded UFAs they didn't want to re-sign. The only 2023 draft pick they acquired, they traded for Sandin. They were a lottery team before trading anyone. They build zero draft capital for 2023.

Detroit tried to acquire JVR on the last day, not the move of a team trying to tank despite their other moves until then...

Nashville is starting a full rebuild and changing GM this off-season. They were after draft capital like Chicago was last year.

12th first round picks have already been traded for the 2023 draft. There was 13 firsts traded last year in a "weak" draft.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Washington traded UFAs they didn't want to re-sign. The only 2023 draft pick they acquired, they traded for Sandin. They were a lottery team before trading anyone. They build zero draft capital for 2023.

Detroit tried to acquire JVR on the last day, not the move of a team trying to tank despite their other moves until then...

Nashville is starting a full rebuild and changing GM this off-season. They were after draft capital like Chicago was last year.

12th first round picks have already been traded for the 2023 draft. There was 13 firsts traded last year in a "weak" draft.

They were trying to trade for JVR to flip him when that fell through they killed the deal.

 

[morhilane]

They were trying to trade for JVR to flip him when that fell through they killed the deal.

At the last minute? And whom ever they wanted to flip it too couldn't have gone to Philly instead?
Detroit already had 3 retained slots, they couldn't be the middle guy in a 3-way trade to retain either.

 

[McGees]

 

[Jaynki]

Who's said it wasn't special that has slight relevance in the scouting community?

You've got people saying Barlow is ranked around 10 yet playing hockey that gets drafted top 5 in most years. You've got 3 or 4 players ranked from 5 to 13 that are considerably better than Cooley and Slaf from last year.

This is by far the best top 10-15 since I cant remember when

I respectfully disagree.

That might be underestimating the top of last year class. I personally believe the debate would start after Bedard and Fantilli. (Considering Michkov risk profile and i am not as high as others on Carlsson.) I think you could have a case for Smith/Benson over Slaf/Cooley/Wright but the opposite still holds true.

We are all on our appetite after Slaf first NHL year but i don't think its impossible that Slaf draft year would be drafted ahead of Michkov or Carlsson either.

 

[Jaynki]

The fact that teams like Washington, Detroit & Nashville decided to sell to improve their draft position says a lot about the top 15 of this draft.

Not necessarily.

Does it proves anything about last year top 15 that Chicago acquired 7 and 13 overall for Debrincat and Dach ?

 

[MarkovsKnee]

At the last minute? And whom ever they wanted to flip it too couldn't have gone to Philly instead?
Detroit already had 3 retained slots, they couldn't be the middle guy in a 3-way trade to retain either.

That's what was reported and why the trade died. Detroit had no intention of actually adding JVR for a playoff run.

In any case, I completely disagree with the opinion that this isn't a quality draft after top 4.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Not necessarily.

Does it proves anything about last year top 15 that Chicago acquired 7 and 13 overall for Debrincat and Dach ?

Chicago went into rebuild mode and were ditching players left, right & center. They wanted to ensure they tanked for 2023 draft, and explicitly stated that they wanted to finish bottom 3 this year. 2022 was a good draft to add prospect depth.

Trading those 2 players was to add that future prospect depth while also tanking for 2023.

We have a record number of teams that are either explicitly tanking or just gave up partway through the season.

 

[SOLR]

Chicago went into rebuild mode and were ditching players left, right & center. They wanted to ensure they tanked for 2023 draft, and explicitly stated that they wanted to finish bottom 3 this year. 2022 was a good draft to add prospect depth.

Trading those 2 players was to add that future prospect depth while also tanking for 2023.

We have a record number of teams that are either explicitly tanking or just gave up partway through the season.

Just the prospect of having a 3-4% chance at Bedard is good enough for some.

 

[Mrb1p]

I respectfully disagree.

That might be underestimating the top of last year class. I personally believe the debate would start after Bedard and Fantilli. (Considering Michkov risk profile and i am not as high as others on Carlsson.) I think you could have a case for Smith/Benson over Slaf/Cooley/Wright but the opposite still holds true.

We are all on our appetite after Slaf first NHL year but i don't think its impossible that Slaf draft year would be drafted ahead of Michkov or Carlsson either.

Lol Carlsson having the best SHL u18 season in decades somehow <<< Slaf and his wtv how many points he got

 

[montreal]

Here's how Carlsson's season compares in SHL history for U-19 (since by WJC's he's in his age 18 season, so he has 1 more WJC he's eligible for)

Elite Prospects - SHL Stats All-time season

All-time/historical regular season stats and leaders per season for SHL, including top goal scorers, most games played, PPG leaders and more.

www.eliteprospects.com

 

[SOLR]

Here's how Carlsson's season compares in SHL history for U-19 (since by WJC's he's in his age 18 season, so he has 1 more WJC he's eligible for)

Elite Prospects - SHL Stats All-time season

All-time/historical regular season stats and leaders per season for SHL, including top goal scorers, most games played, PPG leaders and more.

www.eliteprospects.com

Magnus Paarjavi, blast from the past right there.

I think Backstrom is a very good comparable for Carlsson.

 

[Michelangelo]

I respectfully disagree.

That might be underestimating the top of last year class. I personally believe the debate would start after Bedard and Fantilli. (Considering Michkov risk profile and i am not as high as others on Carlsson.) I think you could have a case for Smith/Benson over Slaf/Cooley/Wright but the opposite still holds true.

We are all on our appetite after Slaf first NHL year but i don't think its impossible that Slaf draft year would be drafted ahead of Michkov or Carlsson either.

No way in hell imo even if you just consider the facts at the time of the draft

 

[Goldenhands]

Fantilli hat trick after 23 minutes of play, scored 2 last night. Is it too late to retract my comments on him? Kid have been a beast last 2 games.

 

[Mrb1p]

Fantilli hat trick after 23 minutes of play, scored 2 last night. Is it too late to retract my comments on him? Kid have been a beast last 2 games.

Its not too late to retract your statement but its too late to not look like a fool.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Owen Pederson as a late round pick ?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Bedard scores his 59th.

 

[Goldenhands]

Its not too late to retract your statement but its too late to not look like a fool.

Only fools dont change their mind, I will take it. His shooting skills easpecially are allright, still question his puck management at times. Kid is showing the beast right now, thats what you want to see from a top pick.