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The Great Weal said:
Lots of smoke that we wouldn't draft Michkov with our first 1st and would only consider it with the second 1st if he's available. Habs are eager to rush another player who may or may not put it together in 3 years whereas Michkov will come in 3 years and have a Kaprizov-like impact.
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If it happens Gorton and Hughes can GTFO. Ill kick them out myself
 
Goldenhands said:
Only skill Cooley has the edge over Moore IMO is playmaking. Moore's playmaking is not high end, thats the only thing that could make him a winger more than a center, but I would say thats still good enough. Smith is also a better playmaker than Moore.

Moore skills chart:

Skating 9 Motor 9 Puckhandling 7 Playmaking 6 shooting 7 IQ 7 Strength 7.
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Youre falling in hyperbole again like when you said Jiricek was a better skater and stronger than prime Subban. Refrain from that, it makes your opinion worthless.

Cooley is in another stratosphere playmaking wise, puckhandling wise and hes an equal skater. His motor is also great and a good defensive player. Moore is nice, but he does not have the talent Cooley has.

As for Smith, hes close to a 10 everywhere but skating and shooting, wheres hes a 6ish and 8ish.
 
Mrb1p said:
Youre falling in hyperbole again like when you said Jiricek was a better skater and stronger than prime Subban. Refrain from that, it makes your opinion worthless.

Cooley is in another stratosphere playmaking wise, puckhandling wise and hes an equal skater. His motor is also great and a good defensive player. Moore is nice, but he does not have the talent Cooley has.

As for Smith, hes close to a 10 everywhere but skating and shooting, wheres hes a 6ish and 8ish.
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I thought we could now discuss prospects respectfully with each others, I removed you from my ignore list to let you another chance after you tried to ridicule me for my position on our 1st OV, who I ended up to be right on BTW despite poeple trying to shut me up at some point. I was also a huge Jiricek fan and you are using an hyperbole I made to discredit me again. Cheap shot my friend.

As for Moore vs Cooley, lets take a look at their USNDTP stats first, Cooley produced at a 1,47 PPG pace meanwhile Moore is on track to have similar numbers producing at a 1,31 pace. But thats only telling one part of the story since Cooley had much better linemates and was always used on the top PP unit, meanwhile Moore's offensive production came from playing with guys with lesser talent level like Nelson, a projected 2nd round pick and getting 2nd PP unit time.

Cooley played mostly with Gauthier, a 5th overall pick and Snuggerud, another 1st round pick. 2 big talended wingers to complement him, he was in ideal conditions to rack up the points.

As for the playmaking, I gave Cooley the edge, stickhandling is close, Moore has great hands too. Cooley is a very good skater, Moore is elite. Cooley is an average shooter, Moore has a deadly wrister with very quick release. Thats close.
 
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Goldenhands said:
Only skill Cooley has the edge over Moore IMO is playmaking. Moore's playmaking is not high end, thats the only thing that could make him a winger more than a center, but I would say thats still good enough. Smith is also a better playmaker than Moore.

Moore skills chart:

Skating 9 Motor 9 Puckhandling 7 Playmaking 6 shooting 7 IQ 7 Strength 7.
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i don’t think Moore is a better prospect than Cooley. Same type of skills/player but Cooley is in a superior tier.

For Smith, he has very high IQ, knows where to be on the ice and knows where everyone are, great vision combined with the elite playmaking. He doesn’t have elite skating but it’s not bad at all. The low motor or lack of physicality doesn’t concern me, he’s a 17 old kid, relying on his brain more than running around the ice, i think it’s something that will get better once he’ll mature and develop.
 
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Goldenhands said:
I thought we could now discuss prospects respectfully with each others, I removed you from my ignore list to let you another chance after you tried to ridicule me for my position on our 1st OV, who I ended up to be right on BTW despite poeple trying to shut me up at some point. I was also a huge Jiricek fan and you are using an hyperbole I made to discredit me again. Cheap shot my friend.

As for Moore vs Cooley, lets take a look at their USNDTP stats first, Cooley produced at a 1,47 PPG pace meanwhile Moore is on track to have similar numbers producing at a 1,31 pace. But thats only telling one part of the story since Cooley had much better linemates and was always used on the top PP unit, meanwhile Moore's offensive production came from playing with guys with lesser talent level like Nelson, a projected 2nd round pick and getting 2nd PP unit time.

Cooley played mostly with Gauthier, a 5th overall pick and Suggerud, another 1st round pick. 2 big talended wingers to complement him, he was in ideal conditions to rack up the points.

As for the playmaking, I gave Cooley the edge, stickhandling is close, Moore has great hands too. Cooley is a very good skater, Moore is elite. Cooley is an average shooter, Moore has a deadly wrister with very quick release. Thats close.
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Brindley vs Moore?
 
I have a hard time evaluating David Reinbacher.

In your opinion, who is the best NHL comparable for him (ceiling and floor)?

He gives me Kaiden Guhle kinda vibes. Nothing fancy but highly effective.

@Goldenhands ?
 
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How do you guys rank Fantilli and Carlsson vs Dach and Dubois?

Assuming we have a very good shot at PLD, do we really need to draft a centre. I am still down for best player available. But if we have the 2nd pick, do you aim directly at Michkov? I do no matter what as BPA, but it also fits with our needs.

With Suzuki Dach, PLD and Beck as centre's, I really want elite talent on the wings. Even a centre that can convert to the wing. In 3 years....

Dach - Suzuki - Cole
Slaf - PLD - Michkov
Barlow - Beck - Mesar

Dach can play centre in case of injuries.
 
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Goldenhands said:
I thought we could now discuss prospects respectfully with each others, I removed you from my ignore list to let you another chance after you tried to ridicule me for my position on our 1st OV, who I ended up to be right on BTW despite poeple trying to shut me up at some point. I was also a huge Jiricek fan and you are using an hyperbole I made to discredit me again. Cheap shot my friend.

As for Moore vs Cooley, lets take a look at their USNDTP stats first, Cooley produced at a 1,47 PPG pace meanwhile Moore is on track to have similar numbers producing at a 1,31 pace. But thats only telling one part of the story since Cooley had much better linemates and was always used on the top PP unit, meanwhile Moore's offensive production came from playing with guys with lesser talent level like Nelson, a projected 2nd round pick and getting 2nd PP unit time.

Cooley played mostly with Gauthier, a 5th overall pick and Suggerud, another 1st round pick. 2 big talended wingers to complement him, he was in ideal conditions to rack up the points.

As for the playmaking, I gave Cooley the edge, stickhandling is close, Moore has great hands too. Cooley is a very good skater, Moore is elite. Cooley is an average shooter, Moore has a deadly wrister with very quick release. Thats close.
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It's definitely interesting that Moore is pushed down a bit on that team (like Beck last year)...

I also think people haven't been giving Perrault enough credit... like his dad he has a real knack for getting open and sniping..
 
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What type of player is Sale ? Keep finding him around 12-15 but im yet to hear someone very excited about him
 
jiboy said:
What type of player is Sale ? Keep finding him around 12-15 but im yet to hear someone very excited about him
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He's a playmaking winger who can also shoot the puck. Really dynamic with the puck on his stick. Easy skill all around. He's not overly inside driven right now and does back down a bit physically, but I don't think he's soft just more so not feeling physically strong to engage in those types of battles.
 
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Mrb1p said:
Youre falling in hyperbole again like when you said Jiricek was a better skater and stronger than prime Subban. Refrain from that, it makes your opinion worthless.

Cooley is in another stratosphere playmaking wise, puckhandling wise and hes an equal skater. His motor is also great and a good defensive player. Moore is nice, but he does not have the talent Cooley has.

As for Smith, hes close to a 10 everywhere but skating and shooting, wheres hes a 6ish and 8ish.
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Weren't you talking about "falling in hyperbole"
 
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How does Smith compare to Suzuki to those who have seen Smith a lot? Sounds awfully similar. Both right-handed, similar size, just "ok" skating and motor, great vision, IQ and playmaking.


Any big differences?
 
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