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Kobe Armstrong said:
It is just my guess at HuGo top-10 based on the players they would likely target.

No Benson because I suspect the Habs will find a way to NOT pick him. If they are top-5 they will go with someone else, if they are 6/7 and he's the best on the board they probably trade down or reach for someone else. Michkov could probably be dropped out too just in terms of our realistic picks. I think ASP will be high on our list too.
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Based on my thinking, if I had to guess I'd say this is the current top 10 list we have, I'm assuming that Molson isn't fond of the Michkov gamble

I just have the feeling they'd pick Smith over him in a position where they can

1.Bedard
2.Carlsson (MGMT seem to love big Euros)
3.Fantilli
4.Smith
5.Michkov
6.Yager
7.Benson
8.Leonard
9.Reinbacher
10.Barlow
 
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MarkovsKnee said:
Yeah, that was Lind in top form last night. He can play too. He's one of my favorites. Think he can have a Wayne Simmonds type career. He's better than his brother, especially when it comes to skating, which is where Kole has faltered.

Sawchyn & Lind are 1st rounders in any other draft year. This draft is deep.

Last year, we had 11 picks. I want another 11 this year: 3 picks in 1st round, 2 picks in 2nd round, 2 picks in 3rd round, 2 picks in 4th round then a 5th & a 7th.

So we need to add one pick to 1st, 2nd, & 3rd rounds and move a 4th & 5th round pick. It's definitely do-able.

I would also be ok with Montreal drafting 2 goalies this year.
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I thought Lind would make it. He had good junior career. He should have made NHL. Even as bottom 6.
 
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Kobe Armstrong said:
It is just my guess at HuGo top-10 based on the players they would likely target.

No Benson because I suspect the Habs will find a way to NOT pick him. If they are top-5 they will go with someone else, if they are 6/7 and he's the best on the board they probably trade down or reach for someone else. Michkov could probably be dropped out too just in terms of our realistic picks. I think ASP will be high on our list too.
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I agree, Benson is probably nd. for the habs - too similar to Caufield in too many ways. But it depends where we pick, we might have to pick him anyway depending on the draft order. In most cases, I think Yager would be much much much better if he's on the board.
 
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Doublechin said:
Based on my thinking, if I had to guess I'd say this is the current top 10 list we have, I'm assuming that Molson isn't fond of the Michkov gamble

I just have the feeling they'd pick Smith over him in a position where they can

1.Bedard
2.Carlsson (MGMT seem to love big Euros)
3.Fantilli
4.Smith
5.Michkov
6.Yager
7.Benson
8.Leonard
9.Reinbacher
10.Barlow
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I also would personally take Carlsson 2nd but HuGo, i don't know. I pretty agree with the rest of your list. But i think it would be incredibly stupid to take Smith at 4 over Michkov. What Habs need right now is elite talent. I can live with Fantili and Carlsson as possible elite talents but other than that, only Bedard and Michkov fit the bill.

And i think if we end up with PLD, we are set at center with him, Suzuki, Dach and Beck. We would only need to surround them with talent. We have Caufield. Slaf might fits the bill as a solid 2nd line winger. One of Dach or PLD would probably end up on wings as a great top 6 winger. Michkov would marvelously complet this top 6 and probably bring it to another level.

PLD-Dach-Caufield
Slaf-Suzuki-Michkov
Farrell-Beck-Mesar/Roy
Ylonen-Evans-Heineman
 
SOLR said:
I agree, Benson is probably nd. for the habs - too similar to Caufield in too many ways. But it depends where we pick, we might have to pick him anyway depending on the draft order. In most cases, I think Yager would much much much better if he's on the board.
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Benson too similar to Caufield? Are we watching the same players?

Benson has an elite 200 ft game. Caufield, well, let's just say he's a work in progress when it comes to the defensive part of his game. Caufield is a shoot-first player. Benson looks to me like a pass-first player.

They have very few traits in common. If they overlook Benson at 7th OA, heads need to roll.
 
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Habs Icing said:
Benson too similar to Caufield? Are we watching the same players?

Benson has an elite 200 ft game. Caufield, well, let's just say he's a work in progress when it comes to the defensive part of his game. Caufield is a shoot-first player. Benson looks to me like a pass-first player.

They have very few traits in common. If they overlook Benson at 7th OA, heads need to roll.
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Same position
Similar size
Not speed demons

They don't play the same game, they have the same weaknesses.
 
SOLR said:
Same position
Similar size
Not speed demons

They don't play the same game, they have the same weaknesses.
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Not really the same position since they can both play on either wing.

Not really the same height either, Benson is 3 inches taller.

One is a playmaker and great transition player, the other is a sniper that is great at finding pockets of ice.

I don’t see the comparison being apt at all. In fact, Benson would make a great linemate for Cole because he brings things that Cole does not.
 
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Ratzlaff made the flashier saves last night but you can see why Bjarnason is one of the top goalie prospects in the class. Moves very well in the crease. Tracks pucks extremely well and was very efficient in his movements.

Ratzlaff is good at reaction and athleticism but as he moves up the ranks, he will get tore apart with better shooters. Won't happen to Bjarnason.
 
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SOLR said:
Same position - Benson is a center - Caufield a winger
Similar size - Benson is 5'10" and still growing - Caufield is 5'7" and stopped growing
Not speed demons - Benson will definitely lose to McDavid but I'm pretty sure Benson is faster than 90-95% of NHLers.

They don't play the same game, they have the same weaknesses. What are those weaknesses?
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Habs Icing said:
Benson too similar to Caufield? Are we watching the same players?

Benson has an elite 200 ft game. Caufield, well, let's just say he's a work in progress when it comes to the defensive part of his game. Caufield is a shoot-first player. Benson looks to me like a pass-first player.

They have very few traits in common. If they overlook Benson at 7th OA, heads need to roll.
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Get ready for Sale/Dvorsky
 
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le_sean said:
Not really the same position since they can both play on either wing.

Not really the same height either, Benson is 3 inches taller.

One is a playmaker and great transition player, the other is a sniper that is great at finding pockets of ice.

I don’t see the comparison being apt at all. In fact, Benson would make a great linemate for Cole because he brings things that Cole does not.
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You can state differences without distinctions all day long, and this shows me you don't quite understand the issue here.
 
SOLR said:
You can state differences without distinctions all day long, and this shows me you don't quite understand the issue here.
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Yeah I’m the one that doesn’t understand. You can’t even properly read height measurements and you seem to think playmaking is the same as sniping.

But then again you seem to think Dvorsky is at the same level as Carlsson because there’s a 6 month age gap.
 
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Same position - Benson is a center - Caufield a winger
Similar size - Benson is 5'10" and still growing - Caufield is 5'7" and stopped growing
Not speed demons - Benson will definitely lose to McDavid but I'm pretty sure Benson is faster than 90-95% of NHLers.

They don't play the same game, they have the same weaknesses. What are those weaknesses?
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Benson is at best an average skater. They are in the exact same skating category.
Benson is low probability to play center in the NHL.

I love Benson, all I said is I would never draft him if I was the GM of the habs with the makeup/time I have to bring this team back to contention.
 
Addik04 said:
Again, again and again.

Everyone are idiots except you.

Yeah right
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Thanks for all the value you bring to the conversation. I'll I'm saying is that Caufield and Benson are too similar for us to use these 2 assets in a productive way to win more games, it's my opinion, you don't need to agree. Me saying that someone else doesn't understand the issue, is NOT an attack on their intelligence - I've said that many times / just my opinion that they are missing something (maybe I'm wrong).
 
SOLR said:
Thanks for all the value you bring to the conversation. I'll I'm saying is that Caufield and Benson are too similar for us to use these 2 assets in a productive way to win more games, it's my opinion, you don't need to agree. Me saying that someone else doesn't understand the issue, is NOT an attack on their intelligence - I've said that many times / just my opinion that they are missing something (maybe I'm wrong).
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Even that argument doesn’t make much sense to me. If Cole had a twin named Joe who was literally the exact same player, we would be stupid to say “nah I don’t want another one on my team”

So it’s not just the fact that Benson and Caufield are not alike, as you claim, but that somehow if they were, having two of them is somehow a bad thing.
 
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le_sean said:
Yeah I’m the one that doesn’t understand. You can’t even properly read height measurements and you seem to think playmaking is the same as sniping.

But then again you seem to think Dvorsky is at the same level as Carlsson because there’s a 6 month age gap.
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Differences without distinctions...

A Toyota MR2 is a sports car
A Ferrari is a sports car

I'm calling both of them undersized (sports cars) and your answer is a Toyota MR2 is not a Ferrari!
 
le_sean said:
Even that argument doesn’t make much sense to me. If Cole had a twin named Joe who was literally the exact same player, we would be stupid to say “nah I don’t want another one on my team”

So it’s not just the fact that Benson and Caufield are not alike, as you claim, but that somehow if they were, having two of them is somehow a bad thing.
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I said they are similar and I said 1) undersized, 2) skating qualities, 3) position.

I know they are at both ends of the spectrum of the shooting propensity. I know Benson is a better defensive player - but IMO it doesn't matter, if you have 2 players under 5'10' in your top 6 with a lack of skating edge = too many. Now, Savoie doesn't have that issue (example). If you look at the Devils, they have plenty of small guys, but when they are small they are fast. Giving away too much speed and size (in that order) makes NHL teams less competitive.

In this computation of mine, Slafkovski and Suzuki are not speed champions either...so who the hell will we get to make our top 6 faster?

tooji said:
Benson and Caufield have one key thing in common. They are both very very talented hockey players. And we are a team that overall lacks talent of that level.
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There are plenty of players equally talented who are not similar to Caufield on those facets.
 
WeThreeKings said:
Ratzlaff made the flashier saves last night but you can see why Bjarnason is one of the top goalie prospects in the class. Moves very well in the crease. Tracks pucks extremely well and was very efficient in his movements.

Ratzlaff is good at reaction and athleticism but as he moves up the ranks, he will get tore apart with better shooters. Won't happen to Bjarnason.
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I've seen a little bit of Carey Price in Bjarnason yesterday. Not saying he will be as good but on how he was always well position in his net and how he was calm and compose.
 
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