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Mrb1p said:
You trust Gorton and Hughes?
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Till now they haven't given me any reason to distrust them. Well, that's not true. I don't like the fact they didn't really decide on a direction at the beginning of the season. Either go for the playoffs or go for the bottom. I find they were sort of wishy-washy. Allowed things to develop on their own. So now you have the Canadiens most likely picking third-tier prospects in a generational draft that has 4 maybe 5 outstanding prospects.
 
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Habs Icing said:
Till now they haven't given me any reason to distrust them. Well, that's not true. I don't like the fact they didn't really decide on a direction at the beginning of the season. Either go for the playoffs or go for the bottom. I find they were sort of wishy-washy. Allowed things to develop on their own. So now you have the Canadiens most likely picking third-tier prospects in a generational draft that has 4 maybe 5 outstanding prospects.
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So in your opinion, they suck? Same.
 
Mrb1p said:
Michkov wont be there at 9 lmao, and if you pass on him for Fantili I will riot by myself
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Imo I take Fantilli/Carlsson ahead of Mitchkov , russian or not. Now factor in the Russian factor, I'm most likely pciking Benson/Smith ahead and considering a few others after.

Perhaps teams have a better grasp of the Russian situation, but I'd rather have a solid top6 player, maybe 1st line in 3 years then a 1st line player in 6-8 years. I think the Habs will be competing 3 years from now.
 
jfhabs said:
Imo I take Fantilli/Carlsson ahead of Mitchkov , russian or not. Now factor in the Russian factor, I'm most likely pciking Benson/Smith ahead and considering a few others after.

Perhaps teams have a better grasp of the Russian situation, but I'd rather have a solid top6 player, maybe 1st line in 3 years then a 1st line player in 6-8 years. I think the Habs will be competing 3 years from now.
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6 8 years?? His contract is done in 2026.
 
jfhabs said:
Moore, I'm afraid might have the same issues as Turcotte in the pro game. His game seems focused on athleticism , not skills or hockey sense. And he might not have the same edge against professional considering his frame.

I still like him a lot. No prospect is perfect.
I might not have seen enough of him either.

What's your take?
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Well, why exactly Turcotte didnt blossom as expected, we would have to ask the Kings fan, but one thing I know, the kid wasnt ready to make the jump to the pro in his D+2, neither was Caufield, but the Kings decided to sign him and play him in their farm instead of letting him play another year with Wisconsin as we did with Cole, the rest is history, the kid cant catch a break, has missed alot of hockey due to injuries. I think Turcotte had skills and was rather well rounded, I thought he had some Matt Duchene in him but thats all I can say about the player, I dont recall exactly how he was compared to Moore, but I do think Moore is the most explosive skater of the 2 and seems to be built stronger.

Moore is a superb skater, an elite one I would say, both in term of speed and agility, so yeah, his powerful skating is what pop up first when you watch him, but kid is also a solid puckhandler, that combo alone allows him to generate offense, but kid can pass, kid can shoot, has a very high motor, competes hard on 200 ft. goes in the dirty areas and wins most of his puck battles. The only things for me that arent high end level would be the vision and creativity, thats quite fine, but not great, but overall I think his tools are just too good as a prospect, thats a kid that plays the right way, brings alot of dynamism, pace and energy. A kid like Smith will slow the pace down to generate offense, Moore wont, he has 1 gear and makes everything at full speed.
 
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Goldenhands said:
Well, why exactly Turcotte didnt blossom as expected, we would have to ask the Kings fan, but one thing I know, the kid wasnt ready to make the jump to the pro in his D+2, neither was Caufield, but the Kings decided to sign him and play him in their farm instead of letting him play another year with Wisconsin as we did with Cole, the rest is history, the kid cant catch a break, has missed alot of hockey due to injuries. I think Turcotte had skills and was rather well rounded, I thought he had some Matt Duchene in him but thats all I can say about the player, I dont recall exactly how he was compared to Moore, but I do think Moore is the most explosive skater of the 2 and seems to be built stronger.

Moore is a superb skater, an elite one I would say, so yeah, his powerful skating is what pop up first when you watch him, but kid is also a solid puckhandler, that combo alone allows him to generate offense, but kid can pass, kid can shoot, has a very high motor, competes hard on 200 ft. goes in the dirty areas and wins most of his puck battles. The only things for me that arent high end level would be the vision and creativity, thats quite fine, but not great, but overall I think his tools are just too good as a prospect, thats a kid that plays the right way, brings alot of dynamism, pace and energy. A kid like Smith will slow the pace down to generate offense, Moore wont, he has 1 gear and makes everything at full speed.
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Turcotte is a lil bulldog and is one of the fastest skater in the 2019 draft. He just got injured too often.
 
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Well, why exactly Turcotte didnt blossom as expected, we would have to ask the Kings fan, but one thing I know, the kid wasnt ready to make the jump to the pro in his D+2, neither was Caufield, but the Kings decided to sign him and play him in their farm instead of letting him play another year with Wisconsin as we did with Cole, the rest is history, the kid cant catch a break, has missed alot of hockey due to injuries. I think Turcotte had skills and was rather well rounded, I thought he had some Matt Duchene in him but thats all I can say about the player, I dont recall exactly how he was compared to Moore, but I do think Moore is the most explosive skater of the 2 and seems to be built stronger.

Moore is a superb skater, an elite one I would say, both in term of speed and agility, so yeah, his powerful skating is what pop up first when you watch him, but kid is also a solid puckhandler, that combo alone allows him to generate offense, but kid can pass, kid can shoot, has a very high motor, competes hard on 200 ft. goes in the dirty areas and wins most of his puck battles. The only things for me that arent high end level would be the vision and creativity, thats quite fine, but not great, but overall I think his tools are just too good as a prospect, thats a kid that plays the right way, brings alot of dynamism, pace and energy. A kid like Smith will slow the pace down to generate offense, Moore wont, he has 1 gear and makes everything at full speed.
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Didn't mean Turcotte was ever compared to him. I was making the comparaison since I see them a bit similarly as great contributors, but not the most talented on a very talented USDP. I agree that Moore is a much better skater and it's hard to know if the development path the Kings made for Turcotte might be the issue.
 
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SuzukiSZN said:
I don’t disagree with you. He should be gone at 2 but he won’t. If he was playing in the CHL everyone would argue about him or Bedard at #1.
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I think there is still a certain gap between Beds and Mich but anyway... Fantili looks like a typical big guy who peaks early with limited upside but we all know NHL loves that.
 
jfhabs said:
Didn't mean Turcotte was ever compared to him. I was making the comparaison since I see them a bit similarly as great contributors, but not the most talented on a very talented USDP. I agree that Moore is a much better skater and it's hard to know if the development path the Kings made for Turcotte might be the issue.
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Not sure if it has changed recently since I could only catch half of their last game, but their top line has been Perreault Smith Leonard for a while, 3 projected 1st rounders on the same line, Moore has been playing with lesser talented players and still could produce alot of pts in the shadow of that top line, Moore is very skilled too, kid can really snipe...
 
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NotProkofievian said:
I made the argument last year that we should draft Cooley entirely because he was the best prospect headed to the NCAA, and I should've stuck with it.

The longer a prospect stays away from us, the better chance they have.
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I don’t think it is us other team aren’t having more luck developing 18yo that aren’t phenom or productive member of the team from day 1… I think we have more pressure to prove that we made the right choice or have results vs. other team where the fan base might be less crazy…
Even the leafs keep Marner in the OHL and Nylander in the AHL while icing terrible team/ tanking…
 
calder candidate said:
I don’t think it is us other team aren’t having more luck developing 18yo that aren’t phenom or productive member of the team from day 1… I think we have more pressure to prove that we made the right choice or have results vs. other team where the fan base might be less crazy…
Even the leafs keep Marner in the OHL and Nylander in the AHL while icing terrible team/ tanking…
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It's us (that is montreal management). Jiricek could play in the NHL this year. Columbus fans aren't jealous of how well things are going with Slaf.
 
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calder candidate said:
I don’t think it is us other team aren’t having more luck developing 18yo that aren’t phenom or productive member of the team from day 1… I think we have more pressure to prove that we made the right choice or have results vs. other team where the fan base might be less crazy…
Even the leafs keep Marner in the OHL and Nylander in the AHL while icing terrible team/ tanking…
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Marner didn't play a single AHL game.
But yes I think you're right on everything else ;)
 
jfhabs said:
Let's say you end up with pick 3 and 9. You have Carlsson/Fantilli at 3. If Mitchkov is there at 9 you take the gamble. If you have pick 5 and youre looking at Benson/Smith, I'd probably go for someone else at 9
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I think it is the other way around if you get a top 3 pick you need to be safe with the second pick because you getting a impact player are trying to compete and starting in 2/3 years you need someone that will be ready to step in even if it is just a supporting role. If your getting 5 we are probably looking not getting a impact player in year before 3/4 year so taking Mitchkov no only are you getting the highest upside but it might actually fit the time line he could come it and be ready to compete exactly when the team is peaking.

jfhabs said:
Marner didn't play a single AHL game.
But yes I think you're right on everything else ;)
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That why I say OHL…
 
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I think it is the other way around if you get a top 3 pick you need to be safe with the second pick because you getting a impact player are trying to compete and starting in 2/3 years you need someone that will be ready to step in even if it is just a supporting role. If your getting 5 we are probably looking not getting a impact player in year before 3/4 year so taking Mitchkov no only are you getting the highest upside but it might actually fit the time line he could come it and be ready to compete exactly when the team is peaking.
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Yes you're probably right, personally, I'd take Mitchkov any day in the 7-10 range, no matter what. I was just trying to figure out a narrative for the team haha
 
jfhabs said:
Yes you're probably right, personally, I'd take Mitchkov any day in the 7-10 range, no matter what. I was just trying to figure out a narrative for the team haha
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Personally I think it would be hard to Pass on Mitchkov regardless, I know he has been dropping on a lot of list but before this year is was on par with Bedard to me the contract situation isn’t that bad the political/war is the ???, but I don’t think he will stay there, if I’m Russia I think it better to have him dominate in the NHL rather than the KHL, and the KHL owner and some gov employees might be fortunate to find a briefcases full of cash because that how think work there…
 
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